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Mafia IV story idea

Note: The particularly important details and music artist names are in bold text. Licensed music track names are in italics.
The year is 1973, five years after the events of the Mafia III, and 22 years since Vito Scaletta’s seen or heard from his old friend Joe Barbaro. The canon ending of Mafia III with this Mafia IV story is Vito taking over the city after Lincoln skipped town, however Cassandra and Burke are left alive and loyal to both Vito and Lincoln still. Burke was able to survive his liver cancer by getting a black market liver transplant in Mexico, like he did in his ending, except with Vito running the city. On Vito and Lincoln’s behalf, Burke and Cassandra agree to stay behind in New Bordeaux and keep the city locked down, incase Leo Galante and the Commission try anything.
The beginning cutscene is Vito answering his telephone after getting up in the morning in his new penthouse, on the top floor of the New Bordeaux casino he finished that was once Sal Marcano's, and grabbing a cup of coffee. It's Alma with some urgent news. Lincoln Clay came down to the cigar warehouse to visit her after 5 years of silence, and he has big news.
Joe is alive in Empire Bay and has been this entire time. However, as punishment for his actions, he's become Leo Galante's personal driver against his will and is forbidden from contacting Vito ever again, or else him and Vito will be killed. Alma then tells Vito to meet Lincoln at the airport to learn more, as he's already there awaiting Vito's arrival. When they're away from anyone who could listen in on their conversation, Lincoln tells Vito he has a friend named John Donovan he's going to introduce him to, hiding in the outskirts of Empire Bay, ready to help Vito and Lincoln with their new mission
Vito gets dressed in one of his signature trench coats with a suit and tie, ready to rain down hell on the Vinci crime family and their allies, and finally be reunited with his lifelong friend he previously thought was dead, Joe Barbaro.
Here is my idea for the kill list, all related to the Commission in Empire Bay and their allies.
I'm thinking Vito and Joe work with Lincoln Clay and John Donovan to split up Empire Bay and distribute territory to three other factions not unlike what Lincoln did with New Bordeaux. This time though, this is a much larger city in a much, much different part of the United States. The empire building mechanics would be a lot smoother, more robust, and streamlined compared to Mafia III. They would work similarly a more modernized version of how the hit city sandbox game Scarface: The World Is Yours handled it's empire building and management mechanics, minus the whole switching to other characters lower on the ladder to do your bidding. This would be ideal for a story rich organized crime game in my opinion. Here are my ideas for those factions, all close allies of the up and coming Scaletta crime family.
The Cuban mob led by Alma Diaz. Vito goes way back with Alma, and she does not hesitate to answer him and Lincoln's calls to save Joe's life and royally fuck both Leo Galante and the Vinci family.
Conti crime family, led by Enzo Conti. This Conti crime family formed sometime in late 1968, months after Lincoln helped Enzo flee New Bordeaux and drop off of Sal Marcano's radar. It turns out he fled north to Empire Bay and finally formed his own family, having more than enough years of experience in the underworld to handle the job. Lincoln's tight with him and manages to recruit him to Vito and Joe's cause.
The Yakuza, based out of Empire Bay's Japantown. Longtime sworn enemies of the Empire Bay Triads, with bad blood going back decades. They would greatly enjoy seeing Mr. Chu and his son's heads mounted on pikes, along with whacking everyone who's ever supported their organization. You don't know them well, and they're known to be very unpredictable and ruthless. Use these traits to your advantage when taking on the Commission of Empire Bay and their friends.
I should mention as expected, this entire 1973 section where you play as Vito is much shorter than Mafia III. Vito's takeover is shown much more quickly over time than Lincoln's, and there's time skips during it, to keep it short and sweet, and to show onscreen only what's important. There is also no option for your underbosses to betray you, as to reduce confusion and keep the story consistently the same each playthrough, like the first two Mafia games.
However, unlike Mafia III, after all of these tasks are completed and every single assassination target on Vito’s kill list is dealt with, the game does not end. In fact, it's not even anywhere near close to being over yet. Vito's 1973 section was merely the beginning act. It was really a lead up to an entirely new Mafia story, centering around a newcomer to the American mob. Fast forward two years following Vito’s rampage that led to him taking over Empire Bay and the Commission, in the year 1975 him and Joe now rule Empire Bay, with Vito as the Don of the Scaletta Crime Family, and Joe working as his loyal underboss. You play the rest of the game as a young up and coming soldato named Louis in his 20’s, who’s a rising star in Vito’s organization. Do right by Mr. Scaletta and Mr. Barbaro, understand kid?
My basic idea for the character and his backstory is that he's a young Italian-Canadian mobster from Toronto, Ontario, or whatever Mafia's equivalent of it could be called. Let's call him Louis DeSimone. His family hails from Tuscany in Italy and moved to Toronto, Ontario in 1939, shortly after World War II broke out in Europe. Louis DeSimone was born in July 1952 in Toronto, and was raised in Toronto's Little Italy. Being northern Italian and hailing from Tuscany, Louis has blond hair and green eyes, making him visually very distinct from past series protagonists, who were all dark haired brunets with brown eyes. Louis fled south to Empire Bay when the feds started cracking down on his old family and put his boss in prison, and he ended up finding a new home with the Scaletta crime family. The first few missions playing as Louis DeSimone involve shooting your away out of an arrest by a Toronto Police Service SWAT team in Toronto in December 1974, seeing the rest of the members of your old crime family either get arrested or shot in front of you as you make your escape. You spend the next two missions fleeing Ontario through Quebec and upstate New York, before finally arriving in Empire Bay in early 1975, late January to be exact. Winter is in full force with snow everywhere, Louis' arrival to Empire Bay for the first time in his life mirroring Vito's return to Empire Bay in 1945 30 years earlier, except under far different much more dire circumstances. Louis' older brother and his father, both capos in his old crime family in Toronto, are shown to be arrested by the TPS SWAT team in his first mission, the same one that attempted to gun him down when he resisted arrested. Louis knows someone had to have ratted out his old crime family, and he wants to find out who someday. The thing is though, he doesn't just want to kill them. He wants to get out of them why they did it before he kills them. More than anything else, he just wants to find out why his crime family was betrayed and served up to the feds on a silver platter, having most of his biological family sent to prison in the process. He’s out to uncover the mystery of why his family fell apart, and he’s more than willing to help people like Don Vito Scaletta and his underboss Joe Barbaro to eventually get the answers he seeks. In the end, he’s not even after revenge primarily, more than that, he wants answers and information regarding the fare of his old crime family, and wants to know why his family fell apart. I came up with the idea for this character because I figured that playing as a fugitive from the law made sense for the mob life, and I'm surprised we haven't had a fugitive protagonist in the Mafia series yet.
In the 1975 chapters while playing as Louis, the Watergate scandal, President Richard Nixon’s resignation, and the official end to the Vietnam War are all discussed on the in-game radio during news segments. In the last 1979 chapter, the beginning of the Soviet-Afghan War is also the subject of a news segment on the radio.
The story eventually transitions into the 1980's as years pass, with the scenery, cars, and music changing accordingly, and historical events of the time discussed in the game. In the 1989 section of the game, the murder of the infamous former Sinclair Parish Sheriff Walter “Slim” Beaumont is mentioned on the in-game radio, as just over 21 years ago Slim and his corruption ring were the top headline of national news. the time the game ends, it's 1992, and significant historical events from the past few years at the time that are covered on the radio in-game include anything from the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Gulf War, the collapse of the Soviet Union, to the 1992 L.A. riots. The rise of the internet and home computers are briefly touched upon during news segments on the in-game radio during the early 1990's section of the story, but not greatly delved into given their relative infancy in that time period. During this entire 1975-1992 stretch of the story, Vito is no longer playable, and Don Scaletta takes a backseat in the story as a main supporting character, similar to Don Salieri throughout Mafia: Definitive Edition. You now play as the Italian-Canadian Scaletta family soldato Louis DeSimone, who is later promoted to being a capo in 1985. At the end of the game in 1992, Louis is promoted to Consigliere of the Scaletta crime family, and it’s revealed in the epilogue that he became the don of the family in 2006 at the age of 54, and his now released from prison older brother serving as his underboss, and and Enzo Conti’s grandson Giovanni Conti serving as consigliere, taking over from Louis’ previous position which before that belonged to his father and Enzo’s only son, Lorenzo Conti from 1973-1992. It is worth noting that unlike Don Salieri, Don Scaletta has much more integrity, and has more genuine loyalty for his men and his associates. If you've beaten Mafia 1 or Mafia: Definitive Edition, you'll know this is something Salieri lacked in the end. Over time, Louis also goes from having a strictly business relationship with Vito and Joe, to bonding with them and becoming a genuinely close friend and trusted member of the family, seeing Vito as something of a second father, and coming to see Joe as the fun uncle he never had. Another major character development theme is Louis DeSimone adapting and assimilating into Italian-American culture in his new home in the Northeastern US, it seeming like something new mixed with the familiar Italian-Canadian culture he was raised in back in Ontario just north of the border.
The game will include a number of hit music from the 70’s that played on the radio back then, such as Bobby Womack’s Across 110th Street and Tony Christie’s (Is This the Way to) Amarillo, The Grateful Dead's Casey Jones and at least a few songs by the then new American rock band Cheap Trick, as well as popular songs from the 1960’s people still listened to at the time, such as Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs’ Wooly Bully, King Crimson’s 21st Century Schizoid Man, Zager and Evans' In the Year 2525, The Zombies' Time of the Season, and Nancy Sinatra’s These Boots Are Made for Walkin'. When you progress through the game, especially after you switch to playing as Louis DeAngelo for the rest of the story, years change, and the music changes. Different songs start playing on the radio, such as Sylvester's You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real), Randy Crawford's Street Life, and The Village People's Y.M.C.A., Cheryl Lynn's Got to Be Real, Gloria Gaynor's I Will Survive, and the Bee Gees' Stayin' Alive start playing in the 1979 portion of the game. After you've completed the 1975 section of the game, Foghat's Slow Ride starts playing on the radio. Starting in the 1977 section of the game, Cheap Trick's I Want You to Want Me and Heart's Barracuda start playing on the radio. In the 1980's portion of the game, Thomas Dolby's songs Hyperactive! and She Blinded Me with Science, in addition to Night Ranger's Sister Christian also start playing on the radio. If Hangar 13 can afford the licenses, I also think a few Michael Jackson and Madonna songs should definitely be on the radio during the 1980's portion of the story, given the immense popularity and regular radio airtime those two had in that decade. If this ended up being possible, I imagine that Michael Jackson's Smooth Criminal, Beat It, Bad, and Billie Jean being on the radio in the 80's sections would be a must, Smooth Criminal especially because of how well it suits the series. Madonna's Lucky Star, Burning Up, Like a Virgin, and Borderline would also be perfect for the 80's portion of the game to me. Also mentioned by NPCs and civilians in the game are topical events of the time period, such as the release of the groundbreaking 1973 horror film The Exorcist at the end of Vito's playable portion of the game.
Other music of the 1980's segment when playing as Louis DeAngelo for the remainder of the game includes hits of the era such as Joe Jackson's Steppin' Out, The Buggles' Video Killed The Radio Star, Corey Hart's Sunglasses at Night, Laura Branigan's Self Control and Gloria, The Weather Girls' It's Raining Men, A-ha’s Take On Me, Men at Work's Down Under, Kim Wilde's Kids in America, The Gap Band's You Dropped a Bomb on Me, Culture Club’s Karma Chameleon, Michael Sembello’s Maniac, Twisted Sister's I Wanna Rock and We're Not Gonna Take It, Bon Jovi's Wanted Dead or Alive and Bad Medicine, Soft Cell’s Tainted Love, Robert Palmer’s Simply Irresistible, Rick Astley’s Together Forever, Whenever You Need Somebody, and Never Gonna Give You Up, Cutting Crew’s [I Just] Died In Your Arms, Loverboy's Working for the Weekend, Dead or Alive's You Spin Me Round (Like a Record) and That's the Way (I Like It), Tiffany’s I Think We’re Alone Now, Daryl Hall & John Oates' Maneater, Aneka's Japanese Boy, Mötley Crüe's Dr. Feelgood, Girls, Girls, Girls and Kickstart My Heart, Billy Joel's We Didn't Start the Fire, Huey Lewis And The News' Hip To Be Square, Bill Medley's (I've Had) The Time of My Life, The Police's Every Breath You Take, Whodini's Magic's Wand, Guns ‘N Roses’ Welcome to the Jungle and Paradise City, Tears For Fears' Everybody Wants To Rule The World, Rockwell's Somebody's Watching Me, Regina's Baby Love, Nena's 99 Red Balloons, Earth, Wind, and Fire's Let's Groove and September, Billy Idol's Eyes Without a Face and White Wedding, Rick James’ Give It To Me Baby, Olivia Newton-John’s Physical, The S.O.S. Band’s Take Your Time (Do It Right), Kenny Loggins’ Highway to the Danger Zone, Wham!’s Everything She Wants, George Michael's Careless Whisper, Toto's Hold the Line and Africa, Blondie's Heart of Glass and Atomic, and Mai Tai's History.
**Note that not every single year and moment of the 17 year 1975-1992 section playing as Louis DeAngelo is playable or chronicled. My idea is it would be handled similarly to how the time skips in Mafia 1/Mafia: Definitive Edition were handled. Time skips of two or more years, or in this case, even longer such as 4 years sometimes, the game skipping from 1979 to 1983. This is to keep the game and story length ideal, and not risk it getting boring or repetitive, or going on for too long. Repetition was a big problem in Mafia III even if I still thought it was a superb game, so I think it'd be best to learn from that for the next big entry. The games story will skip ahead and show onscreen only what's significant, similar to the first Mafia game and it's remake, as well as certain aspects of Mafia II. Louis starts his section as a 22 year old fugitive soldato who got picked up by another crew south of the Canadian border, and in the epilogue of the game in 1992, is promoted to the consigliere of the Scaletta crime family at the age of 40, being set to take over the family once Vito and Joe become too old to run the day to day on a regular basis. Louis DeSimone is promoted to don of the Scaletta crime family following Vito and Joe being officially retired as of 2006. They’re both still involved and paid huge amounts of money by Louis out of respect, but keep a much lower profile by then since they have handpicked successors and aren’t worried about where the business is going.
The years chronicled in the main gameplay segments are as follows:
1973
1975
1977
1979
1983
1985
1987
1988
1989
1990
1991
1992
Much more of the rural areas and countryside outside of Empire Bay are included than what was available in Mafia II. The way rural environments are handled for this hypothetical Mafia IV is akin to how Mafia: Definitive Edition and Mafia III handled their rural environments outside the main cities, except much larger in scale, given the increased power of the current new consoles such as the PS5 and Xbox Series X. This region is based off of upstate New York and the surrounding areas across multiple states in the Northeastern US, and includes forests, fields, mountains, rivers, lakes, beaches, and small towns. Also included are other cities and towns, based off of other large cities in New York like Syracuse, Buffalo, and Rochester, where other story missions, business activities, and side missions take place, along with smaller notable places like Ithaca, Binghamton, and Utica. The entire states of New Jersey, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Delaware, Maryland, and Ohio are also included, including places based off of all of their major cities and most of their notable towns in between. Large portions of Pennsylvania are included as well, including Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Scranton. All of the province of Nova Scotia including the city of Halifax, and Large portions of the eastern half of the Canadian province of Ontario are included as well, including cities based off of Toronto, Ottawa, and Niagara Falls. There's even a small portion of Quebec included, including Montreal and the surrounding countryside of the province outside that city, including a few small towns in southern Quebec. The player must pass a quick border patrol check when crossing the US-Canada border in a car or other ground vehicle.
Wildlife is present in the game, mostly to add to the background, scenery, and immersion in rural environments on the map. These are all animals native to the Northeastern US, ranging from white tailed deer, coyotes, bobcats, Canada lynxes, rabbits, hares, groundhogs, gophers, beavers, raccoons, opossums, bats, chipmunks, red and gray squirrels, mice, and rats to more formidable and potentially dangerous animals that may sometimes attack the player, such as grey wolves, black bears, mountain lions, and moose. These last four animals are known to spawn in the mountainous regions, especially in New York, Ohio, Vermont, Massachusetts, and Ontario, including the rural regions based off of the Catskills and the Adirondack mountains. Dogs are present in the cities, towns, and settlements where humans live and keep them as pets, being walked and sometimes found in people's yards. Some are used as guard dogs by enemies and are aggressive towards the player on sight. Domestic cats are also present in the background of residential areas, and both Louis and Vito own them as pets throughout the game in their safe houses, as well as other onscreen characters we see the homes of throughout the game.
Aircraft make their first usable appearance in the Mafia series too, from airplanes to helicopters. Vito cannot use planes or helicopters in his playable 1973 portion of the game, as he does not know how to pilot, being a paratrooper in World War II who never actually flew any of the planes himself. Aircraft are unlocked to use when Louis DeSimone gets his pilot’s certificate offscreen in 1977, and at the end of a chapter set that year, Louis has to fly Vito in a helicopter to a penthouse in Downtown Empire Bay acting as a family safe house, equipped with a helipad. Louis frequently serves as a personal driver and pilot for both Vito and Joe afterwards, having done a lot in his time serving the family to earn their trust and respect.
Melee weapons also make a return from Mafia: Definitive Edition, with even more variety this time. In their respective sections of the game, Vito and Louis may use anything from baseball bats, pipes, shovels, brass knuckles, golf clubs, police batons, switchblades, kitchen knives, bowie knives, ice picks, 2x4s, claw hammers, crowbars, tire irons, chain links, machetes, meat cleavers, pickaxes, hatchets, sledgehammers, to fire axes. This amount of melee weapons is so no matter what environment the player finds themselves in during a mission or any other game activity, there is usually a weapon of some sort nearby. If the player has obtained piano wire, you may also strangle an enemy to death with it from behind as a stealth kill, this being a classic assassination method infamous for being used by the Italian Mafia. Rope can also be found and used for similar strangulation stealth kills, appearing in the gameplay environments where piano wire can’t be found. There is a wide variety of new guns and explosives to use in this concept for Mafia IV, going with the new weapons of the time the game takes place that criminals quickly got their hands on. This includes the SPAS-12 combat shotgun, the Beretta 92 pistol, the AK-74 assault rifle, the mini uzi, the MAC-10 submachine gun, both suppressed and unsuppressed variants, the Beretta 92 pistol, the Taurus raging bull revolver, Glock handguns, the TEC-9 machine pistol, illegally modified to be full auto, the Ruger Mini-14 full auto variant, and even Vietnam war era flamethrowers, which I think is only natural given that as of Mafia III, we already have RPGs and grenade launchers. Late in the game from the 1989 section and onwards, the Benelli M3 combat shotgun becomes available. The Milkor MGL grenade launcher becomes available beginning in the 1983 portion of the game. Attached grenade launchers are also available for the AK-47, AK-74, and M16 assault rifles. More advanced rocket launchers of the 1970’s and 1980’s are naturally included as well.
Free ride makes a return in Mafia IV, with the player having the options to change the weather, time period, and an option to play as Louis, Vito, Joe, Lincoln, or John Donovan. Naturally, a multitude of new free ride missions are available as well.
I previously posted a much earlier and less detailed draft of this on the old Mafia3 subreddit 3 years ago back in 2017 as an idea for a hypothetical Mafia 3 expansion where you play as Vito, but have since updated and revamped it to a possible Mafia IV plot, and fixed any plot holes I noticed and made it much more fleshed out and in depth, and focus on more than just Vito in the end. You may view my original here if you so desire, to compare. https://www.reddit.com/Mafia3/comments/6sldhp/spoiler_mafia_iii_vito_dlc_basic_plot_idea/
Feel free to give me constructive criticism on this, as I encourage this discourse and believe it is integral to growing and improving, to build upon or improve these ideas I've come up with, or say whether or not you think something like this should happen in the future. Thank you for reading!
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History of Clifton Hill Part 5 (Final): What Could Have Been, and What Can Still Be

Thank you to everyone who has followed this series or voted for it's creation. I'm glad you've enjoyed it and I'm always happy to spread the important history of the amusement industry, especially pertaining to the place that inspired me to go into the industry. For parts 1-4 scroll back in this sub or click my profile.
In 1989, Welland Securities, who owned the entire south-west side of the Hill, would develop the final portion of unused land on Clifton Hill. They would become HOCO (Harry Oakes Company) and gain ownership of almost all the attractions on land they leased out. This included Movieland, The Space Spiral Tower and the Cliffside Motel. The only attractions that would continue being leased were Ripley's and Circus World, meaning HOCO not only owned all the land on the South-West side of the hill, they now ran everything between Circus World and Ripley's, as well as the Fudge Factory (in its original spot) and an ice cream stand immediately down the hill from Circus World. They planned to keep everything that was on the hill but build on it.
Movieland was remodeled and the outside was given a more noticeable Egyptian theme to match the lobby. This meant large lion statues and Costello's talking pharaoh. The lobby was remodeled as well. Rather than a cameraman and a director filming Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra, they would now be filming Costello's Indiana Jones figure, who lowered up and down on a rope above a fogging pit with a cobra rising out of it. Many of the early talkie-era stars in the hall immediately after the entrance (along with Elizabeth Taylor) were moved to 2 large display cases in the middle of the attraction with multiple figures, instead of each one having their own scene. In their original spot just inside the entrance an intentionally scary scene was created to match the popular Indiana Jones series. Many of the figures Costello had added since he became the museum's artist were slightly frightening, like a lunging alligator or a startling Joker scene with a machine gun sound effect. The museum had been expanded at the end, and a large horror section had been added, with many figures like the mummy being from the same mold as the House of Frankenstein/Castle Dracula mummys. Unlike when it would move to it's current location in 2005, the old location's chicken exit was placed before the horror section rather than the haunted house portion. In fact, there was no haunted house section, many of the figures that would end up in the haunted house section of the new location were simply scattered throughout the museum. Many of the figures in the horror section of the original museum were actually less scary and less animated than the Jurassic park scene or the alligator encountered earlier in the museum. To prevent unsuspecting parents who had no clue what kind of attraction this was dragging their children in and expecting static figures of washed-up movie stars, getting the living daylights scared out of them, then end ending up filing complaints with HOCO's customer service department, an intentionally scary scene was put at the beginning. This let people know what they were walking in to, an experience rather than a museum. Costello designed figures behind plexiglass such as a man upside down in a cocoon thrashing around, a skull that popped up from the floorboards in a scene full of snakes, a man on a bed of spikes that fell towards you, and a scene with spiders on fishing line "jumping" all over a rotting corpse.
The Cliffside Motel was amalgamated into a wing of the Quality Inn, and the driveway into it off the hill was removed as it was no longer necessary because it could be accessed from the Quality Inn parking lot. In the driveway's place was now a large empty space between Circus World and Movieland, with the Space Spiral Tower (with a relatively small footprint) stuck in the middle. HOCO called upon attraction design and layout firm White Hutchison Leisure Learning Group (WHLLG) to design an attraction around the Space Spiral that would use the final undeveloped land on Clifton Hill. And so WHLLG designed Dazzleland Family Fun Centre. Dazzleland was a courtyard of buildings arranged in roughly the same layout as the Great Canadian Midway (for reasons we'll get to later) that sits on the land now. The buildings around the outside of the courtyard were long and narrow, picture a courtyard of carnival game trailers but permanent, appealing buildings. These buildings included a Skee-ball building, a sports game building (basketball games, football toss etc.), a racing game building, a pinball building, a funnel cake shop, and the prize counter. In the back corner, roughly where the XD Theatre now is in the midway, was a larger building: an arcade housing video games and more pinball machines. In the middle of the courtyard was a small carousel, and a small building housing games that dispensed their own prizes (claw machines, prize egg games, etc.) and coin-op kiddie rides.
The Space Spiral was incorporated into Dazzleland, still being accessible directly off the hill. As mentioned in part 3, the tower was exactly where the Fudge Factory now is, as the circular store was once the loading area for the tower. At this time the snack bars beside the tower right on the hill were constructed: a pretzel/hotdog stand and an ice cream stand, both of which are still there. The Wendy's was built on top of Circus World, replacing the mini golf that had formerly been on the attraction's roof. Across the entrance to Dazzleland's courtyard from Wendy's was a Domino's Pizza, roughly where the photo booth just to your right is when entering the Great Canadian Midway now. Between the Space Spiral and the Dominos was a fortune teller machine built right into the wall: "Ask the Brain". The brain still lives on inside Movieland, except now he wants a loonie instead of a quarter. Just up the hill from the Space Spiral, on top of the hot dog and ice cream stand, a small sports bar was built. Very little is known about this sports bar, but obvious remnants of it still exists. The area of Boston Pizza closest to the hill (the back corner near the kitchen, the bar area, and the raised dining area) was the originally the sports bar. It featured a small coin-op bowling lane, arcade games, and food. The stairs in the Midway up to Boston Pizza beside Ghostblasters is the original stairs up from Dazzleland to the sports bar. Additionally, the Boston Pizza entrance closer to the hill (not the one with the big bowling pin, other one) was the main entrance to the sports bar. Little is known about the bar, including it's name. It may not have had one, simply being part of the Dazzleland complex. Many of the areas in Dazzleland didn't have a name, simply having signs heralding "Arcade", "Sports Games", "Skeeball" rather than naming the areas like the "Game Factory", "Sports Zone" or "Strike! Rock 'n Bowl" like in the Midway. For this reason, the bar may have been nameless, simply being part of the Dazzleland complex, but it's unlikely a dining establishment geared at adult nightlife wouldn't have a name.
Because the mini golf on Circus World's roof had been operated by the Cliffside Motel operators, HOCO acquired all the assets from it when they stopped leasing the land out. When the aforementioned Wendy's was built, the mini golf was moved just up the hill from the sports bar. It's entrance was right on the hill, but the course wrapped around the sports bar and ran back behind Dazzleland, between the back of Dazzleland and the parking lot of the Quality Inn. It would now be dinosaur themed and heavily landscaped. WHLLG designed the course and HOCO contracted Costello to build all the fiberglass dinosaurs. It's unknown what it's original name was, but in the early 90s, with the smash hit of Jurassic Park, it was renamed Dinosaur Park and given a similar logo. Up until the 2018 remodel, Boston Pizza had a patio. This patio was the exact location of the entrance to the mini golf, and the reason the restaurant's building curved in such a bizarre way surrounding the patio was originally to accommodate the course. Underneath the sports bar and mini golf and was an underground building accessible from a back corner of Dazzleland's courtyard. This area housed all of Dazzleland's miscellaneous ticket redemption games and 2 shooting galleries. The low-ceiling area of the Midway called the "Game Factory" is this original building. The Bonanaza Company shooting gallery is still there albeit heavily remodeled, but Blasteroids, an early project by arcade game company Lazer-Tron, was removed in 2016. Interestingly, the chase lights along the back wall of the Game Factory are Dazzleland holdovers. Between the shooting gallery and where what's left of the racing games now are is a bank of maintenance doors. If you get lucky and see them open, you'll see a stairs that was originally an entrance to Dazzleland from further up the street, beside Dinosaur Park. This now lets out somewhere in Boston Pizza's arcade (although I haven't been able to figure out where) and is used by staff to get from "a" to "b" faster.
Dazzleland has been the hardest to dig up information on in my research on Clifton Hill. Although I now know what was in each of the buildings around the outside of this "courtyard", I haven't been able to find which one was where. The only things I've confirmed is where the video game building was, what was in the building in the middle, and confirmed that the Game Factory was originally part of Dazzleland. The rest is beyond me and my memories of it have long faded. If anyone worked here or visited it frequently and has any answers, they would be greatly appreciated. Additionally there was a small pool near the front with a Costello dragon figure in it that spit water out it's mouth. I've heard conflicting reports that this was just a fountain, and others saying it was a small bumper boat or RC boat attraction, but my guess is it was just a fountain as it seems like a pretty small pool. The same year, fiberglass dragon waterslides were added to the Quality Inn pool. Although bearing striking resemblance to Costello's dinosaurs and Dazzleland dragon, at least one more of each of the dragon slides exist, all the way down in Texas. It was originally thought this Texas waterpark bought them off HOCO when Quality Inn closed, but one of the Quality Inn dragons appeared on an episode of shipping wars going to Kansas and the other was recently found abandoned on a private residential property in Niagara, proving they are in fact not the ones at the Texas waterpark. This is evidence they may have been mass produced.
By the time Dazzleland opened in 1989, it was the 8th arcade on the hill (after Circus World, Q-Balls Billiards Pub in Quality Inn, the arcade in Ripley's, the arcade in the Foxhead, the arcade in Castle Dracula, Funland in the basement of the House of Frankenstein, and an arcade that had recently opened in the Pilgrim Motel in their gift shop.) These were just the large-scale, dedicated arcades right on the hill. Many others could be found nearby in Maple Leaf Village, the Skylon, the Seagram, Pyramid Place and the Imperial Hotel as well as many mini golf courses and family fun centres along Lundy's Ln. and the QEW. Also, virtually every gift shop on Clifton Hill and Victoria Ave. had a game or 2.
The mix of arcades, haunted houses, fast food, nightlife and stores selling t-shirts and posters had started a well-known rock culture in Niagara Falls among Southern Ontario youth. The epicenter of this was "Rock World", a rock-themed gift shop that had opened in 1983 on Centre St. (the street Clifton Hill becomes just above Victoria Ave.) They would later add a second story and build Rock Legends Wax Museum above it, with all the figures sculpted by the store's owner Pasquale Rammuno. In 1996, Maple Leaf Village was replaced by Casino Niagara, and many of the attractions found new homes on Victoria Ave., including Screamers and Nightmares. The Elvis Museum, Antique Auto Museum, 50s diner nightclub, and arcade all moved to Pyramid Place adjacent to the IMAX pyramid. Screamers prospered on Victoria Ave., and 2 "sequel attractions" were built in the early 2000s: Creatures of the Night on Victoria Ave. and Horror Manothe Zombie Zoo Nightclub on Centre St. Another attraction, Alien Encounter, would open at the corner of Victoria Ave. and Clifton Hill beside the Criminals Hall of Fame. This slightly thematically darker "north of the hill" area with the Screamers chain, the Criminals Hall of Fame, Rock Legends, Nightmares and Alien Encounter became a "main strip" all in it's own.
As mentioned before, since the cabin courts were all town down in the early 50s, nothing had been torn down on Clifton Hill. The only exception was the Houdini Hall of Fame that burnt to ash in 1996. Some of Houdini's Last Words were claiming that anything revealing his secrets would perish in flame, and even though the fire completely leveled the museum, the plywood and fiberglass paneled House of Frankenstein only separated from it by a 2-foot wide alley was completely untouched, leading a lot of Houdini's fans to believe he was conducting some kind of post-mortem practical joke. The metal objects like handcuffs and the water tank could be saved, and were bought by David Copperfield. Ripley's Moving Theatre was built in it's place. Over the 30 years from Tussaud's opening in 1959 to Dazzleland in 1989, Clifton Hill had expanded and filled up the land. However that didn't mean it was time to tear things down. Things were simply moved around or remodeled to keep them fresh, not out of an unwillingness to change, but because these things had become ingrained in the landscape. Examples of this were Tussaud's moving to its current home in the old building of a restaurant that had since moved on Victoria Ave., rather than the attraction shutting down, or the Adventure Dome Theatre oepneing in part of the Honeymoon City's gift shop. In Tussaud's old place was built the MGM walkthrough/store, Pink Panther ride and 4D Ride in 2002. The beer garden beside it was replaced with the WWE building and the Piledriver ride, but the beer area was moved to between the 2 attractions. In 2004 the Foxhead's arcade was expanded and re-themed into the Marvel Superheros Adventure City.
Another great example of re-freshing an existing attraction was Dazzleland. A simple realization was made, more games = more money and higher guest enjoyment. The outdoor courtyard style with it's room for walkways between the buildings was re-designed, and HOCO again called upon WHLLG. WHLLG designed not only a remodel of Dazzleland, but an incredible 5-step plan that would have made Clifton Hill financially on par with a major theme park. Steps 1-3 came to fruition. Step 1 was remodeling Dazzleland into the Great Canadian Midway in 2002. The level, concrete foundation Dazzleland was built on was kept as the foundation of the Midway, hence why it has the same layout. The former video game building at the back became the FX Ride Theatre (now XD Theatre/Wild West Coaster) in the Midway. The funnel cake shop was kept where it was in Dazzleland except now it was in the Midway, between the FX Ride and the Prize Counter. The area housing Dazzleland's ticket redemption games became the Game Factory. The middle building housing the claw games and kiddie rides was demolished, as it was no longer needed because the Midway was fully indoors and there was now a massive space to put games. The sports bar was expanded and became Boston Pizza, so Dinosaur Park was moved to in front of the Comfort Inn. Under the expanded Boston Pizza, Sally Corp. was hired to build the interactive Ghostblasters dark ride. All of Dazzleland's old games made the transition into the Midway, however very few are still around.
With the Midway making serious buck, HOCO went ahead with phase 2 of WHLLG's plan. Movieland was moved to Circus World's former location in 2005, and Circus World's owners moved the attraction to what was then the popular Victoria Ave. area. In Movieland's old home, Cosmic Golf, a blacklight golf was temporarily set up. 2 years later in 2007, the golf moved to it's permanent home in the basement becoming Galaxy Golf and the gift shop that had been formerly in the basement was moved upstairs. Movieland retained all the figures and sets they had at the time of the move, moving them all into the new space. All the scary elements were put in the new "House of Horrors", a small optional haunted house at the end of the attraction.
Phase 3 involved beginning to demolish the only thing that WHLLG's 5 phase plan would have torn down: Quality Inn. In it's place an amusement park would have been built, anchored by Canada's largest ferris wheel. The wheel would be phase 3 and the amusement park phase 4. Though both WHLLG and HOCO recognized the historical value of the hotel, it had reasons to go. The hotel may have been full of your usual hazardous mid-century building materials (however Comfort Inn built by the same firm the same year was found to have no hazardous materials when it was torn down in 2015, so who knows) but the main issue was elevators and the amount of space it took up. Comfort Inn only had 2 wings, one on each side of the lobby, and only 2 elevators would have needed to be installed. This wasn't legally necessary, as no law states that buildings of age absolutely have to be 100% accessible, it was more something HOCO wanted to do. Quality Inn had multiple wings that weren't accessible from one another, so an elevator would need to be installed in each wing. In addition to the elevator issue, Comfort Inn was chosen as the hotel to keep because the building was integrated with Kelsey's, Rumors Nightclub, Ripley's, and Dinosaur Park, all of which wouldn't have been touched in WHLLG's 5 phase plan. Finally, Comfort Inn's land wasn't big enough for an amusement park whereas Quality Inn's was. 2 things would justify the demolition of Quality Inn. One, it's sister hotel, Comfort Inn, would have been kept. The other reason justifying the demolition would be phase 5: a skyscraper hotel and indoooutdoor waterpark in the field between Clifton Hill and the Skylon Tower. The dragon figures from Quality Inn's pool were kept in HOCO's storage for a time for this waterpark. The final vision can be seen here.
Phase 3 would go ahead in 2006, with the lobby, Golden Griddle and Q-Balls Billiard pub of Quality Inn being torn down and the Skywheel built in it's place. For the last year Quality Inn was open, you would need to register at Comfort Inn's lobby. The same year, the Space Spiral was torn down, as 2 observation attractions wouldn't be needed on the hill. However, a new spiral tower would have been constructed during phase 4 in the theme park. The reason the tower would be demolished rather than moved was because a tower manufactured by the same company in Wildwood, NJ, had begun to sway a few years earlier, resulting in it needing to be removed entirely for safety reasons. Phase 4 was set to go ahead in 2010, so in 2009 the remainder of Quality Inn was demolished. It seemed as though everything would fall into place, and with the exception of Quality Inn making it's sacrifice, everything on Clifton Hill that had been there for 20-60 years would be there forever, just greatly expanded on.
Unfortunately, this came at a turning point for Clifton Hill, when the recession was in full swing and tourism had declined since 9/11. Changing technology and interests, but no real nostalgia trend yet, created a perfect storm, and the idea was scrapped. Especially now that there would be no amusement park, a lot of area attractions closed. HOCO now needed to find a new design company to completely re-design the project. The problem was, Quality Inn was already torn down to make way for the amusement park. HOCO reluctantly found a new design company who had no projects under their belt yet, IDS. HOCO was hopeful the Canadian company could help give them a similar vision to their previous 5 stage plan, that would help them re-use many of the already implemented stages and despite scrapping the amusement park, would simply scale down and redesign the hotel. This was done in hopes that the city would be much more likely to approve just another high rise hotel than an amusement park as well. IDS' new plan was much different than what HOCO was looking for. It featured tearing down Ripley's, Comfort Inn, Kelsey's, and Rumours Nightclub and building a Titanic Museum shaped like the boat. It also featured building a large mall within the hotel rather than a waterpark and relocating and expanding Dinosaur Park into Dinosaur Adventure Golf on Quality Inn's old land. While HOCO thankfully chose not to go ahead with the mall and Titanic Museum, they would build Dinosaur Adventure Golf and work with IDS to make a more feasible plan that better suited Clifton Hill.
The new plan featured Dinosaur Adventure Golf and Strike! Rock 'n Bowl as phase 1. It also included removing a lot of the thematic brand identity elements WHLLG had implemented to coincide with their final amusement park vision and replacing Galaxy Golf with Wizard's Golf as phase 2. Phase 3 would feature tearing down Comfort Inn (that never got it's elevators due to it no longer being planned to be kept), building Niagara Speedway in it's place, and removing Rumors Nightclub to accommodate the new Kelsey's bathrooms and Zombie Attack. Phase 4 would feature remodelling Wendy's, Boston Pizza and Kelsey's. Phase 5 would feature a mall (no hotel) in the field between Dinosaur Adventure Golf and the Skylon, but this final phase will likely never come to fruition.
Multiple attractions have closed since the late 2000's, such as the entire Screamers chain, Circus World, The Criminals Hall of Fame, Funland Arcade and Alien Encounter. The Hilltop Motel became the current home of the Upside Down House, and the Pilgrim Motel became Captain Jack's. Ironically, the only part of the building that's not part of the entertainment centre is a Mini Mart at the back that was the original arcade in the Pilgrim. Virtually everything in the Falls. Ave. complex other than Rainforest Cafe and the 4D theatre is gone. Marvel Superheroes Adventure City lost its license after Disney bought Marvel, and it simply became Adventure City. The Hulk Mini Golf became jungle themed, Spider-Man references were (poorly) removed from the dark ride, and X-men referenced were (also poorly) removed from the bumper cars. References to Marvel can still be found in the arcade, such as Spider-Man's face on a tree that was only covered up a few years ago. The WWE Store, after being abandoned since 2012, was turned into the Niagara Brewery Beer Store in 2016, fitting considering the land's history as a beer garden. Planet Hollywood on Falls Ave. closed around 2014, and is still abandoned. The MGM walkthrough was abandoned for over 10 years before becoming a barbecue restaurant in 2019.
The changes in the Falls Ave. complex are an example of good change, replacing abandoned attractions with ones that if anything are closer to what used to be there, such as Adventure City becoming an unthemed arcade again or the Beer Store being where the Beer Garden once was. Another example of this good change would be the long abandoned (and burnt) Adventure Dome that had briefly held a Lego attraction being turned into the Amazing Big Top Mirror and Lazer Maze in 2017. However a perfect example of negative change is the Rock Legends Wax Museum being forced out of business because a YouTube video of the museum was flagged for copyrighted music by YouTube's algorithms. This lead Sony Music to investigate the museum and shut it down last year if it wouldn't pay ridiculous licensing fees, which it couldn't afford.
Another example is IDS' redevelopment plan. HOCO is now locked in a contract with them, even though they obviously have very different ideas on the direction of Clifton Hill. Phase 1 was implemented in 2011, with Boston Pizza expanding their arcade to include Strike! Rock 'n Bowl and Dinosaur Park moving to where Quality Inn was and being renamed Dinosaur Adventure Golf. All of Costello's original dinosaurs (with the exception of the original Pterodactyl) would "migrate" to the new location where they would be joined by dozens of new mass-produced dinosaurs. Interestingly, foundations were built back in 2011 for the original 2 Brontosaurs to appear as if they were coming out of the ponds, but they wouldn't show up until 2019 when they were brought back out of storage to be installed, only to lay on the ground for a few months before going back into storage. Although it didn't use new hand-made figures, this attraction was a change that fits the spirit of Clifton Hill and was a good replacement for the empty plot of land that had once housed Quality Inn, even if an amusement park would have been better. The same cannot be said about the rest of IDS' plan. Many thematic elements installed throughout the hill by WHLLG (especially in Movieland and the Midway) were removed in phase 2 in 2013 simply to fit with IDS's image better, costing HOCO a lot of money. Phase 3 went ahead in 2015, and the 60 year old Comfort Inn was demolished, along with the old HOCO offices in it that if you remember from part 1, was the original nearly 200 year old stable building for the Zimmerman estate. Niagara Speedway was built in it's place, and if you look at the prices to drive it, then watch how many people do, you realize just how much they're making off it. Rumors Nightclub, originally the Queen's Door Nightclub in 1956, was gutted and turned into Zombie Attack and the new Kelsey's bathrooms, as the old ones had been in the Comfort Inn building. Phase 4 in 2018 extensively remodeled Wendy's as well as Boston Pizza, removing the patio.
Ghostblasters is now the final untouched WHLLG era attraction on the land. This is made even more troubling by the fact the signs for it were just removed and replaced with temporary ones, as I said in the post that started the entire discussion on whether or not I should do this series. If the attraction does go, we can only hope that a new interactive dark ride utilizing artistry, dimensional scenes and props much like Ghostblasters does is built, however that likely won't be the case. Triotech is the lead designer of ride through shooting games, that feature a dark ride car that travels through a hallway with screens on each side of it rather than real props. Triotech has dealt with HOCO before, building both the Wild West Coaster and Zombie Attack, so all signs point to one of these attractions replacing Ghostblasters if it closes.
There is still hope that Clifton Hill can retain it's spirit, but it stands at a crossroads. The House of Frankenstein for example, while retaining many original scenes, has had many removed and replaced with nothing, and many areas of the museum taken out entirely. Castle Dracula on the other hand hasn't updated a thing, but hasn't cared for the original scenes either, leaving them to fall into disrepair and only having 7 or 8 of the original 70 still lit, and none of them still functional. There are 2 directions Clifton Hill can go. With many attractions like the ones on HOCO's side being demolished to make way for whatever is trendy and lucrative, and many hanging on by a thread like Castle Dracula or Ghostblasters, the Hill is in real danger of becoming an endlessly overturning and developing area. However, with money recently being poured back into attractions like the Haunted House, Ripley's, and Guinness and attractions being redeveloped like the Falls Ave. complex or the Big Top Mirror maze, there is hope. If people, including the companies that own them, can recognise the historical value of attractions like Castle Dracula, The House of Frankenstien, Movieland, Tussaud's, etc., this can be promoted and the recent nostalgia boom can create large profits if this is played up. Additionally, future developments can still be more in the vein of what WHLLG envisioned for Clifton Hill, or what the Burlands recently did with the well done Big Top Mirror Maze. This is both profitable and economically sensible, as repeat customers that make memories and come to the area for generations with occasional new updates/re-themings (like what Clifton Hill did from the 50s-2010s), is far more profitable than a constantly turning over wave of new developments that cost millions to build that changes with each generation.
Thank you to everyone who has followed this series. Sorry for the length of this, but I promised this would be the last installment, so it has to be longer. If you have any information pertaining to Dazzleland or anything you know that I didn't cover in this series, let me know. Additionally, if you would like me to dig up photos on anything that I mentioned in the series, let me know, as unless it's the Dazzleland dragon, I probably have a photo of it. I will likely post many of them here anyway in time. Thanks again.
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New tour has been announced!

STEEL PANTHER will embark on the "Heavy Metal Rules Tour" in the fall!
Oct. 08 - Mobile, AL - Soul Kitchen Oct. 09 - St. Petersburg, FL - Jannus Live Oct. 11 - Ft. Lauderdale, FL - Culture Room Oct. 12 - Orlando, FL - The Plaza Live Oct. 13 - Atlanta, GA - Buckhead Theatre Oct. 15 - Richmond, VA - The National Oct. 16 - Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts Oct. 18 - Silver Spring, MD - The Fillmore Oct. 19 - Poughkeepsie, NY - The Chance Theater Oct. 20 - Portland, ME - State Theatre Nov. 24 - Boston, MA - House of Blues Nov. 26 - New York, NY - Gramercy Theatre Nov. 27 - New York, NY - Gramercy Theatre Nov. 29 - Indianapolis, IN - Egyptian Room at Old National Centre Nov. 30 - Grand Rapids, MI - 20 Monroe Live Dec. 02 - Toronto, Ontario, Canada - Rebel Dec. 03 - Cleveland, OH - House of Blues Dec. 04 - Cincinnati, OH - Bogart’s Dec. 06 - Milwaukee, WI - The Rave Dec. 07 - Detroit, MI - The Fillmore Dec. 08 - Chicago, IL - House of Blues Dec. 10 - Madison, WI The Sylvee Dec. 11 - St. Louis, MO - The Pageant Dec. 13 - Wichita, KS - The Cotillion Dec. 14 - Oklahoma City, OK - Diamond Ballroom Dec. 15 - Kansas City, MO - Arvest Bank Theatre at The Midland Dec. 22 - Suquamish, WA - Clearwater Casino
Details: https://www.blabbermouth.net
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TALES FROM THE IN-LAWS

Thank God I kept a journal, I now have proof that my in-laws are nuts. For the record, I have a terrible memory and therefore I forgot about how crazy they are, which is why they were in my life for far too long. This is also my first post. I just joined Reddit today.
Prior to my relationship with DH – I know my MIL practically forced DH to be in dance classes when he was a child, as she was trying to live vicariously through him as she had a terrible childhood. One time she grabbed his dance instructor by the neck and pinned her up against a wall. She punched DH in the face one time and broke his nose. He’s had problems with his nose ever since with just not being able to breathe properly, etc. and she’s chased him around the house with a sledgehammer and broke holes in the walls.
June 2010 – DH lived in Ottawa (3.5 hours away) and worked 5 days on, 5 days off so he’d come back to our hometown on his days off. We would normally stay at his parent’s house, but on one occasion his brother (who is 8 years older, a crackhead alcoholic, been arrested hundreds of times, has 3 kids who he’s never supported either mentally or financially, never paid into taxes, etc.) came home late at night, not sober, and was mad that DH and I had set up a nice bed in one of the bedrooms, which was where he normally slept on a cot, but DH had moved the cot to the other bedroom. His brother kicked down a door, poured pop all over DH, punched DH in the face, smashed beer bottles and a light, and when the in-laws came down they blamed DH and said that I wasn’t allowed to be there, even though previously she’d said I was allowed. So we went back to my house and the next day my stepmom went out and bought a futon so DH could stay there when he was in town (she wouldn’t let us stay in the same room lol).
March 2011 – My mom was unable to keep her Himalayan kitten due to moving and her new roommate being allergic, and DH knew his mom always wanted a Himalayan so he called his mom and told her about the kitten, and she told him to tell my mom to give her a call. My mom calls her, and MIL says “oh, I want a boy!” even though she already knew it was a girl. This was also their first interaction with one another.
August 2011 – My brother stopped by my in-laws house (he and DH were best friends so he was friends with my in-laws) and my MIL told my brother that if he didn’t take the two pieces of art that I had left there that she was going to donate them. Even though weeks prior she had asked me a few weeks prior if I wanted to keep them, because she liked them and wanted to hang them up. I had told her that they were a gift, but she could hang them for now, but I’d want them back in the future.
May 2012 – Went to dinner with my in-laws and my MIL complained about everything, including her “spicy” vanilla milkshake. She didn’t eat her hamburger at all. This wasn't the first, or last, time that she complained about a meal at a restaurant and refused to eat.
June 2012 – We were preparing to move to Pakistan so we decided it would be best to leave our two cats and our dog with the in-laws, as we didn’t know what it was going to be like overseas (we had little information given to us) and we were worried. We brought the animals to my in-laws, and the following occurred.
We had two cats. An orange tabby named Fawkes, and a Tonkinese named Cougar. Upon arrival at the in-laws, Cougar peed on the bed and on a blanket. Cougar was like 11 or 12, we had adopted him from a friend who was moving cross-country. MIL said something along the lines of “you know what happened to the other animals when they pissed me off” (DH told me that she tried to choke them and gave them away). MIL also said she didn’t want Cougar but wanted Fawkes. We then mentioned the idea of maybe taking our dog with us overseas, and his parents kept saying not to, and that she was better off staying with them. Later on, MIL says “you don’t expect to take them back do you?”
Weeks later…
Arrived at our in-laws house and DH opened the door and Cougar got out, so I started panicking because they are indoor cats. FIL says “oh don’t worry, he loves going outside”. We specifically told them not to let the cats outside. Later on MIL asks if I’m okay with leaving the animals with her and I told her no, they haven’t listened to any of our instructions thus far and just got a new kitten. Then we are out in the backyard, and DH was ashing his cigarette on the deck and MIL asked him not to because she’d have to wash the deck, so he moved closer to the ashtray. She out of nowhere flips out and storms off inside, slamming the doors behind her. I went in and knocked on the door to MIL’s room, she told me to fuck off but opened it anyway. I told her that DH wanted to leave (keep in mind we are moving to Pakistan very soon) and she says “good, leave, fuck off, and take the animals with you!” then slammed the door in my face.
July 2012 – MIL calls to say that she’s booking a vet appointment for Cougar because he continues to pee all over the place. They had to buy a new couch because of it. She also told us that she bought some pills recommended by PetSmart to give to our dog, so she didn’t kill their grass when she peed.
Later on…
We called the vet after the appointment because the in-laws couldn’t answer any of our questions about what happened at the appointment. Apparently Cougar has bladder stones and it’s going to cost $1500 for surgery but this will stop him from peeing everywhere.
August 2012 – (We are now living in Pakistan) DH told my in-laws that I was now worried about our future children being around them, if they can’t even listen to simple instructions regarding animals. FIL got mad and I had to apologize.
In-laws mentioned that if they were to go away, they’d take our dog to their friend’s house, who lives in the country and has an unfenced yard. I said no. “Oh, but he’s a nice guy and we trust him!”
Paid the $1500 for surgery and Cougar is still peeing everywhere. I knew it wouldn’t work, as he had been peeing everywhere when we first got him also, but trained him not to and he eventually stopped. DH also bought his mom a new duvet because Cougar had ruined hers.
They went through all the bags of kitty litter that we had bought them, and we bought them 6 months’ worth. Instead of scooping the poop out, they just dumped the whole entire litter box out at the end of every day.
April 2013 – My brother got arrested (he’s a good kid so this came as a complete shock) and I wanted to go home to Canada. DH told MIL that I might be coming home and she told DH that Cougar passed away MONTHS AGO. DH felt like something was wrong, so he told MIL “I feel like something’s wrong, is there anything you want to tell me?” she said no. “How’s Cougar?” “Oh Cougar’s fine, he just doesn’t do much.” “DH: “He’s dead isn’t he?” MIL: “No!” DH: “tell me the truth!” MIL: “Ok he’s dead”. Also realized that our dog (German shepherd) isn’t listening very well and that’s because they aren’t stern or persistent with her.
August 2013 – We flew our dog to Pakistan only to discover that she was severely overweight. When we left her, she was 80lbs. When we got her back, she was 130lbs. Thanks to my in-laws. DH was so mad. When we got home from picking her up at the airport, he called MIL and gave her a blast of shit. He told her that he felt “used” because he’d been paying for everything, expecting to get the same dog back. But she legit was nothing like she once was. She had trouble climbing stairs, running, walking even. He was mad that his parents didn’t tell him that anything was wrong, and he had even bought his mom a trip to Vancouver so she could visit DH’s half-brother and half-sister (two of her kids from a previous relationship). MIL kept saying “oh but she’s (dog) so beautiful!” and trying to downplay the whole thing, and then “oh you would’ve been really mad if you seen her a few weeks ago, she was huge!” WTF. And she kept telling DH that she didn’t think the dog was fat and she didn’t notice. She kept saying “I don’t know what to say”. MIL admitted that our dog was getting fed twice a day, plus biscuits from them and the neighbours, was getting table scraps, potato chips, whatever, and may have gotten into the cat food. We had given them a baby gate that we had cut a hole in, to keep our dog out of the “cat room” at our house. So we asked them why hadn’t they used it, and they claimed to have never been given it. DH had even offered to install it, and FIL had said no.
June 2014 – We went home to Canada and DH took his mom shopping and must’ve spent at least $1000 on her. We asked her if she was enjoying the new stuff DH bought her and she stated “oh it’s just cheap stuff anyway” and that she realized she didn’t like it and had given it away. She also never said thank you when he originally bought her the clothes. RAGE. She asked DH to buy her a $700 chandelier even though she had $3000 in her bank account and can afford to bail DH’s brother out all the time and buy him cigarettes and give him money for alcohol/drugs/whatever he needs.
May 2015 – We went on our house hunting trip and the in-laws came with us, since we decided it was a good idea (what was I thinking) that they come and live with us in Alberta, to get away from their crazy son who they are enabling. So we are on this house hunting trip and MIL keeps saying “I get a room!” but she was insinuating that she was going to be locked away in a basement room, but no, the basement has a full living room, bathroom, and 3 bedrooms (which they utilized two of when they were here). She kept saying that if she just wanted a room, she’d move out on her own. Apparently the tension was thick. Why did we continue to go through with it? It was doomed from the start. And there were houses that we’d arrive at, and MIL wouldn’t even get out of the car. Mind you, DH and I were buying this house, the in-laws were not contributing money towards it. DH had a stern conversation with MIL that he had embarrassed her in front of the realtor, and that she can’t act like this in a small town. Then FIL said that he could send us money each month if we needed help, and we told them no, if you don’t plan on living with us, then we will just buy a smaller house. We can afford it, but we need to purchase appropriately. But the whole house hunting trip was an absolute nightmare. We were focused on trying to buy a house, but MIL was concerned about going to Walmart (she went 5 times in a week) and to the casino (twice).
August 2015 – The in-laws FINALLY put their house on the market after knowing they would be moving for several months. They kept telling us “not to worry” because it’d sell in no time.
December 2015 – The in-laws FINALLY sold their house. And moved in with us. I asked my MIL how she liked her new bedroom… her reply: “it’s a room!” after I had cleaned it and made it all nice and presentable. I then went to the grocery store, came back and MIL asks if I got orange juice. I said no. “Well I need orange juice. I drink it every morning. Helps with my bowels.” They kept complaining that the house was too cold (it was set to 21 Celsius, 69.8 F) so I turned it up to 23 C, 73.4 F. It was too hot for DH and I, so we had to open our window (in the middle of December in northern Alberta) and the window froze open and had icicles on the inside, so we told them this and FIL goes “no worries” which is a typical response from him, along with “all good!”
We took the in-laws to the best restaurant in town, where everything is made from scratch and fresh, and the menu changes daily depending on what’s in season or in stock at the grocery store, and MIL complained the entire time and didn’t eat her meal, and FIL complained a bit too.
MIL tells me that if she ever has an issue with me, she will tell me straight up.
Their shipment arrives, and we are unloading it. I see Fawkes on top of a piece of furniture, so I take him off. MIL tells FIL that she doesn’t like this (why? I don’t know) and DH overhears that conversation. Then DH tells me that his parents think I’m not friendly. We have a family meeting. I somehow found out that MIL had a talk with her MIL, and said that she would never get along with me, I confront her about this, and she denies it. DH stuck up for me and confirmed that this conversation had in fact happened. I confronted MIL about the cat situation, when we left them with them and how they didn’t listen to any of our instructions. MIL starts going on about how Fawkes is her cat. I then said “tell me what really happened to Cougar” (they’d previously said he just died) and she then says “we gave him away!” At this point I got up, pretty much said to DH “I told you so!” and left the room. Nobody bothered to come after me. I went back. I told them that giving him away wasn’t their decision to make, we could’ve shipped him to Pakistan, I could’ve given him to my sister or another family member, there were many options. I told MIL that she was a liar and she starts dancing around saying “oh I’m a liar!” They never apologized for anything.
January 2016 – I am babysitting a 2 year old boy for a friend, and my friend was due to pick her son up at 5:30. I had given him some snacks, but I didn’t feed him dinner because she was coming at 5:30 and I didn’t know what her dinner plans were, and she didn’t tell me to feed him dinner. My MIL got mad at me because I was eating dinner in front of the 2 year old (I had to go to soccer that night, so I had to eat then). I sent a text to my friend to see if she wanted me to feed her son, just to get MIL off my back. She kept going on. FIL pipes up to say that I sent a text and we are awaiting a response. She then proceeds to start swearing and yelling at FIL in front of the 2 year old, tells FIL to get his “fucking hands off her”, shoved FIL, made a fist like she was going to punch him, and stormed off downstairs. So it’s wrong of me to eat dinner in front of a 2 year old, but she can act like a complete fucking psycho?
April 2016 – Our dog was getting sick a lot and I asked if everyone in the house (in-laws and we also had a roommate who had a puppy) to stop feeding our dog ANYTHING, period. I needed to start tracking what she was eating to find out what was making her sick. She began getting better once I told everyone to stop feeding her things. One day at dinner, MIL gets out an ice cream sandwich and right at the dinner table, in front of everyone, goes to let our dog lick the ice cream sandwich. DH jumped up so fast and pushed it away from our dog. MIL goes “I was only going to let her have a lick” and DH says “the whole thing was in her mouth!” It was also chocolate. And MIL didn’t believe DH when he told her it was chocolate… until she tasted it. She then announces that our dog loves cheesies.
July 2016 – I'm pregnant and due in December. MIL tells me that I need to hurry up and have this baby because it’s affecting her too. Apparently she’s sensitive to smells these days.
August 2016 – We did a road trip to British Columbia with the in-laws. We stopped at many places on the way, and eventually left them in Vancouver so they could spend time with MIL’s daughter (DH’s half-sister). DH and I continued on to Victoria to visit our friends. When it was time for the in-laws to come to Victoria, MIL was super awkward and just sat in the backyard away from everyone.
We went to breakfast with the in-laws and MIL commented on how thin the pregnant waitress was and that you wouldn’t know she was pregnant until she turned around, and DH said “well (my name) is like that too” and MIL said “no she’s not, she’s wider in the hips” blah blah blah.
We were having a yard sale and MIL was having a meltdown because she has separation anxiety and asked if I wanted some of the belongings that she had intended to sell. I said no, I have enough junk of my own, and she had a fit because I don’t like anything that she likes. DH stuck up for me and said it was perfectly fine that we have different tastes/likes. And no, she did not assist with the yard sale.
October 2016 – MIL came and woke me up to see when we were going to leave for the craft show. I told her that I just needed to sleep a bit longer and she said she’d start to get ready. I couldn’t fall back asleep, so I went downstairs to hang out with the in-laws. I mentioned that the one lady I was meant to meet at the craft show wasn’t going to be there, so MIL says “we don’t have to go anymore?” and I asked her if she didn’t want to go, and she said no. So why did she wake me up to go???
November 2016 – My in-laws cat began scratching our leather couch set that we had bought when we first moved into the house, so it was probably only a year old, maybe. I asked the in-laws to start keeping the basement door closed so that the cat couldn’t come upstairs. They live downstairs, it’s where they sleep and watch TV. We live in a raised bungalow, so it’s not a typical dark basement. The windows are above ground, so it’s actually bright and nice down there, like any other house. And they are down there unless they’re using the kitchen, so I honestly see no reason why they can’t just leave the basement door closed so that the cat won’t ruin our belongings. When I went and asked my in-laws to keep the cat downstairs, MIL yells at FIL “I told you so [FIL’s name]!” A few days went by, they were keeping her downstairs, but then I’d show up at the house earlier than expected and the cat would be upstairs and they’d practically come running up to grab her. They literally got rid of my cat because it was peeing in their house, yet their cat is scratching up my furniture, and I’m not asking them to get rid of the cat, I’m only asking that they keep the cat downstairs. DH starts asking me what we are going to do about the two dining chairs that are currently in the garage. I told him that he said I could keep them there, as we don’t need them on a day to day basis in the kitchen. I suggested that if he had an issue with them in the garage, we could put them under the stairs, and that the garage needs to get organized anyway. Out of nowhere, MIL yells up from the basement “don’t worry about the dining set because I’m sick of this shit and we are moving out!” They then ran off to Bingo (which they basically went to 6 days a week for the first several months of living with us, and god only knows how much money they spent at Bingo while they lived with us).
Of course they never apologized for the cat scratching up our leather furniture.
DH also got upset because he had hoped that his parents living with us would give him the relationship that he had always hoped to have with his father and that his parents always favoured his brother over him.
The in-laws were ignoring us after the fight where MIL announced she was moving out. FIL walked outside one night when DH was brushing the dog, and said “how’s it going” to FIL who responded with “good”. DH asks “how was your day today?” and FIL says “great”. Then the next day DH comes home and FIL opens the basement door a tiny crack to let our dog out, and DH marches down and says to his parents “well that was the most awkward thing ever. Hello to you too!” Then his parents started talking to him, and FIL asked if we still had the microwave that was in the garage (we didn’t) and if he could buy the TV that we had in the garage. DH said that they could have it. They also announced that they’d found an apartment and DH got mad because there was no discussion at all about this.
DH and I are at breakfast one morning and he tells me some things. MIL has always gone on about how she gets along so well with her MIL and mentioned that she wanted to go home for Christmas (and would therefore miss the birth of our child) because she wanted to see her MIL, and how she’d spent every Christmas (except for the previous one) with her MIL. DH tells me that his mom hated his grandma up until recently and that every Christmas was a constant battle because his mom didn’t want to go to his grandma’s house and that he and his brother would sit in the car for hours while his parents fought inside. Come home and the cat is upstairs again with the basement door open. DH says that his parents are doing this on purpose so that we get mad and it will give them more ammunition and reason to leave without them feeling bad. DH says they do this often.
DH and the in-laws got into an argument and MIL tells DH that she loves me sometimes, hates me at other times, that I am difficult to live with, they feel like they are a burden on us, that they only moved here to help us, etc. DH told them that we didn’t need their help, we would’ve bought a cheaper house and we would’ve been fine.
My friend hosted a surprise baby shower for me and my MIL did not come although she was invited, because she “doesn’t do baby showers” and she claimed that nobody threw her a baby shower when she was pregnant, even though FIL said that yes, she did have a baby shower.
Still November…..
Woke up at 3am on a Saturday morning and it literally stunk so badly in our bedroom. I assumed that our dog had farted but it was so powerful so I got up and went out to the living room and there was liquid doggy diarrhea ALL OVER THE CARPET. Apparently this was the 5th time this month, I just didn’t document the first four. Keep in mind that I am due in December, so I’m super pregnant. Anyway, I scrubbed the floor at 3am and then had a shower and went back to bed, but had to wake up early for our maternity photoshoot that day.
I also discovered that when we got the mortgage, you have the option of including the yearly property taxes in with your mortgage payments or you can pay them yourself every year. FIL said that he’d pay the property tax each summer ($3500) and I discovered that he conveniently didn’t pay it for the previous year, and obviously now that they are moving out, we will be responsible for coming up with that $3500 each year. DH also gave his parents several thousands of dollars for money they had previously given us, but he didn’t want to feel like he was indebted to them, so he gave some of it back.
December 2016 – The in-laws finally moved out! They came over the day they moved out to give us a bag of dog treats that they had been hiding in the basement. When our dog was having all that diarrhea in November, I kept asking them if they were giving her anything and they kept saying no.
They didn’t even bother to clean the basement once they moved out, so I had to clean it. I steam cleaned the carpet and had to empty the container twice and it was disgustingly dirty. We have ledges that run around some of the rooms, and they had dirt caked on them from where the cats would walk/sit.
DH has a bad habit of smoking cigarettes, especially around his mother, who’s likely been smoking for 70 years (okay, well she’s only 72, but she likely started smoking when she was 10 or so). He had been smoking and I asked him to get me a drink. He took a sip of it and handed it to me. It stunk so badly and I said “this is why I don’t want you smoking around the baby!” MIL says “oh babies become immune to it”.
June 2017 – We went to British Columbia on a road trip. FIL texts DH to ask where our carpet cleaner is. We had lent it to a friend. DH asks why he needs it, and he tells us that our dog had another accident in the living room. Of course, only when the in-laws are taking care of her does she have these accidents. They claimed that our dog must have eaten something she found outside.
July 2017 – We came back from a mini road trip around Alberta that we had taken when our friend from Pakistan came to visit us. The in-laws had moved out of their apartment and were staying in our basement just for a couple nights, while we were on this road trip, and planned to move back to Ontario when we got back from the road trip, because they didn’t like it here. We got back from the road trip around midnight and went to bed. We woke up the next morning and the in-laws were gone. They drove/moved back to Ontario without saying goodbye.
December 2017 – The in-laws bought us plane tickets to go home for Christmas. We kept asking them if they had a car seat for us to use (DH has cousins and stuff so they said they would borrow one) or if we needed to buy one and get it sent to their house. They kept saying not to worry about it, that they’d take care of it. We arrived at the airport at like 4am and went to their truck, and the car seat was not even installed. It’s 4am, we’ve just travelled a ridiculously long time (5 hour drive to the airport plus a 3 hour flight plus delays plus waiting for the bags which took over an hour), it’s like -20 C and the car seat isn’t installed? DH tried to install it but it just would not get tight. And then we realized it had to be forward facing, still didn’t get tight. We honestly didn’t have any other options so we just had to put our daughter in it and pray to god that we’d get home okay. DH was angry, but FIL just kept saying “no worries, it’s okay” and DH was like “IT’S NOT OKAY! THIS IS ILLEGAL AND UNSAFE!” but the in-laws are just completely clueless.
January 2018 – We had gone home for Christmas, and stayed at the in-laws apartment. It was okay, as okay as it could be when I have to see my in-laws every day. MIL was her normal annoying self, DD was just learning to walk at this time and every day MIL would announce “oh today she walked 4 steps!” “Oh today she walked 5 steps!” and so on. It was like she was trying to prove something to me, I’m really not sure. On our last full day there, I was getting ready and went out to the living room. DH asked MIL what she was going to do that day, as we were going out and FIL was at work, and MIL doesn’t have her own vehicle. She said nothing. He asked if she wanted him to drop her off at Bingo. She said she had no money (untrue, they do have money, maybe most of it is tied up, but also while we were there they had told us how they had given their friend’s son $500 because he couldn’t pay his rent). DH said that he would pay for the Bingo and she immediately was like “OKAY!!!” And so I said “we can’t afford it either” which is 100% true. We are super struggling right now. And she said “well whose fault is that?” and I told her that yes, it’s our fault, but all the while thinking “you’re honestly okay with taking money from your son who has a young family and is struggling”. She even knows exactly how much money we are in debt, it’s tens of thousands of dollars, not including the car or the house. And with daycare starting up, that’s going to add an extra burden. So anyway, she flies up off the couch and gets right up in my face and proceeds to tell me that she doesn’t like me, I don’t like her (I told her that was untrue, I do like her, I just can only tolerate her in small doses, but didn’t mention that second part). She told me that I was antisocial, that I never talk, that I didn’t have dinner at their house once, etc. And that it would be a miracle if we were ever in the same room together again. DH unfortunately took his mother’s side on this occasion, and the rest of the day was horrible. He left, and wasn’t responding to texts or calls or anything. I went over to my sister’s and then my dad’s. My mom ended up calling my FIL about this and to ask what was going on, like my FIL was the one who was going to be driving us back to the airport early the next morning, and my FIL was just like “well if we see you at the airport tomorrow then we’ll see you” and my mom was like “uhhh there’s a child involved here!” and FIL didn’t even seem to care about that fact. Nor did DH really either, apparently.
Other information - Not to mention throughout the year that they lived with us, they continued to bail DH’s brother out. When they left, they had gotten him an apartment, given him a lot of their furniture, bought him a truck, paid for one year’s worth of insurance, etc. He lost the apartment, along with everything in it. They sent him money constantly, and I know, because they had to wire money through my brother, so I had to act as a middle man. And it was a lot of money. $700 here, $500 there. Now it’s all gone, nothing to show, including the truck.
And also, neither of them worked while they were here, until MIL got a job driving a school bus in August. They moved in the previous December. So for 8 months they didn’t work. They also didn’t help clean the upstairs of the house, and they rarely ever cooked dinner. DH and I worked full time, would come home from work and still cook dinner for all 4 of us. MIL claimed she didn’t feel comfortable in our kitchen, and she didn’t like our electric stove.
When I gave birth, do you think she came over to help? To let me take a shower, a nap, to maybe cook a meal for us? Nope, not even one time. I think she might’ve brought food over once? And she lived here (in the same city as us) for the first 7 months of DD's life.
When I was going back to work and DH was going to be at home with the baby, she said to my face “oh don’t worry, I’ll be here every day to help him!” Wow, thanks.
She’s also made digs about breastfeeding (I had to stop earlier than intended, around the 6 month mark, because I’d gone back to work and pumping wasn’t working out for me) and how daycares are scary and she never sent her kids to daycare (she worked as a school bus driver since DH was born so she just took them with her).
She has 7 kids. The first two kids she had when she was 14 and 15 and claimed she got pregnant via Immaculate Conception. I shit you not. Then she had two girls and a boy with some other man. Those kids went into foster care for a period of time (not sure exactly). The oldest daughter doesn’t speak to MIL. The son doesn’t speak to MIL anymore. Her daughter and her have a telephone relationship, but when DH paid for MIL to go out and visit her daughter, they got into a massive fight and the son had to come and rescue her. She hasn’t talked to the son since she left from that trip. She doesn’t talk to her two teenage grandchildren from her son. She never got along with her son’s wife. She doesn’t get along with FIL’s sister or his three adult nieces. She didn’t get along with her MIL for a very long time. And her personality is… very unique. She’s about 72 now, but you wouldn’t know it. She definitely acts younger. She’s very hyper, probably has some undiagnosed ADHD or something going on. When she gets excited she jumps around and stuff. She doesn’t hold her opinions in. we were at a store one time and she asked the teenage boy who worked there if he “liked his hair like that”. I almost died.
I’m probably forgetting a bunch. Good lord. Good thing I kept a journal about this stuff because I honestly forgot a lot of it.
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Nick Moss Band Tour Dates

 ~Nick Moss Band~ Time Ain’t Free Tour 2015
May 29 Puurs, Belgium Duvel Blues Festival 30 Altdobern, Germany Muddy Lives
June 5 Egersund, Norway Dalane Blues Festival 6 Egersund, Norway Dalane Blues Festival 14 Chicago, IL House of Blues 25 Milwaukee, WI Summerfest 27 Jarvenpaa, Finland PuistoBlues Festival
July
10 Shirley, MA Bull Run 12 Rockland, ME North Atlantic Blues Festival 15 Rochester, NY Dinosaur BBQ 16 Syracuse, NY Dinosaur BBQ 17 Springfield, MA Theodore’s 18 Ottawa, ON RBC Ottawa Blues Festival 21 L’Erable, IL The Long Branch 22 Grand Rapids, MI Blues On the Mall
August 07 Kitchener, Ontario Kitchener Blues Festival 08 Auburn Hills, MI Callahan’s 15 Evansville, IN Lamasco Bar & Grill
September 10 Las Vegas, NV Big Blues Bender 11 Las Vegas, NV Big Blues Bender 12 Las Vegas, NV Big Blues Bender 13 Las Vegas, NV Big Blues Bender 16 Minot, ND Minot Moose Club 24 Sioux City, IA Hard Rock Hotel and Casino
October 15 Oslo, Norway Colorline Cruise 16 Oslo, Norway Colorline Cruise 17 Sandana, Norway Evening Fjord Blues 21 Svalbard, Norway Dark Season Blues Festival
Note: All dates subject to change Booking Agency- Piedmont Talent – [email protected] Management-Stewart Entertainment, [email protected]
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The TOURS That Wins Customers - Niagara Falls Tours!

Niagara Falls is considered one of the world’s wonders and is absolutely incredible! Everyone will love the scenic beauty of this natural wonder. Many would love to take a tour at least once in a year, especially the North and South American tourists. Niagara Falls Tours is one of the most entertaining tours. One would always remember and love to revisit the Falls again and again!
Niagara Falls - Famed For Its Scenic Beauty!
Touring Niagara Falls from the Canadian side is very popular. It is said to be a treat because of the entertainment available for the visitors. Many prefer visiting the Niagara Falls from Canada end when compared to the US end.
Niagara Falls is a city in Ontario, Canada, famed for its beauty and as a valuable source of hydroelectric power. It is on the western bank of the Niagara River, in the Golden Horseshoe region of Southern Ontario.
There are many tour operators running their services to Niagara Falls for family enjoyment and lifetime memories.
Some Of The Tour Highlights!
 Free Pick up/drop off from Airport/Hotels  Visit Niagara Falls  Visit Hornblower (Seasonal)  Visit Skylon Tower.  Journey Behind The Falls.  Buffet Lunch Or Dinner.  Whirlpool.  Floral Clock.  Niagara On The Lake.  Smallest Chapel.  The Wineries in the Niagara region.
One can experience awesome views from the Canadian side even during the winter season. Most of the attractions are open and provide good fun with spectacular views. The place is so big and relaxing that one will forget everything in the world with the enjoyment of the scenic beauty.
Niagara Falls Tours - A Tour Of Entertainment!
A few of the other entertaining stops or places surrounding the Niagara area are:
 Casino Niagara  Whirlpool Aero Car  Nightmares Fear Factory  Niagara White Water Walk  Kurtz Orchards Farm and Marketplace  Great Canadian Midway  Reg’s Candy Kitchen  House of Frankenstein  The Tower Hotel  Dufferin Islands  Marineland of Canada  The Bird Kingdom.
Cultural History - Community Centres Host Cultural Activities
Talking about the culture of the Falls area and its surrounding places, there are a few areas that add to its culture. The Community centres that are host to cultural activities include:
 The City of Niagara Falls Museums  Niagara Falls Public Libraries  Coronation 50 Plus Recreation Centre  Club Italia  Scotia Bank Convention Centre.  Queen Street  Main and Ferry Streets  Stamford Centre  Cummington Square.
Popular Niagara Falls Tours - Niagara Falls Day Tour!
The most common tour is the Niagara Falls Day Tour. It is a 9.5-hour tour of the Falls along with other attractions. The Falls area has beautiful parks, recreation trails, boat rides to the Falls and many more.
Some other popular Niagara Falls Tours are:
 Niagara Falls Day Tours by bus coach – big group tour with a tour guide.  Toronto to Niagara Falls Tours  Half Day Niagara Falls Tours.  Niagara Evening Tours – see all the sights in the afternoon and wind up the tour with a view of the illuminated Falls by night.  Private Tour – travel with your group of friends, family or colleagues. Customize tour itinerary.  Niagara Falls Tours by helicopter.
As a visitor, one can plan to visit all the above places happily with ease and comfort. To explore the best at Niagara Falls, book your Niagara Falls Tour online now!
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Any Canadians going to EDC Vegas 2012? OR Reddit ppl in general.

where you from, how many, want to meet up with our group? We are flying from Ontario.
EDIT1: this is the EDC site for booking ONLY hotels. https://resweb.passkey.com/Resweb.do?mode=welcome_ei_new&eventID=7196439
EDIT2: yup. this is one of those secret hotels no one knows about. ranked #7 on tripadvisor. Reason no one knows about it is because not many booking agencies and flight agencies have them on their site. http://www.shellhospitality.com/Desert-Rose-Resort "desert rose resort" vegas is its name. book through their home site or expedia.com
a single villa suite will have: 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, living room with large pullout couch, full kitchen, balcony, free parking, free breakfast for all 6 people every morning.... best part, its right beside hooters, one block from luxor and excalibur casino hotel and near the strip. COST?! :D well, its only avg 230 for EDC (fri-sunday) if you stay longer, the avg night goes down to (171 from Wed-Wed) which is how long we have it booked for.
For shuttles: $80 and they have a lot more shuttles this year. Shuttles will be running regularly throughout the night. Pick-Up Locations: MGM Grand, Circus Circus, Luxor, Excalibur, Mirage, More TBA.
http://fla.vor.us/wafform.aspx?_act=eventview&_pky=116815
if you have questions, ask.
Way more info can be found on /electricdaisycarnival
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Toronto To Niagara Falls

Toronto To Niagara Falls
Niagara Falls is a city in Ontario, Canada. It is on the western bank of the Niagara River in the Golden Horseshoe region of Southern Ontario. It has a population of over 80,000 people. Niagara Falls is at its best from the Canadian side when compared to US end. The Toronto to Niagara Falls Tour is amongst the best tours with everlasting memories.
Safe and Comfortable Tour
One can tour with safety and comfort in air-conditioned vehicles. Relax in total comfort in the designed tour bus or coach. The vehicles are well-maintained and are as per the team size of the tourists.
The tour operators pick up and drop the tourists from their hotel lobby.
Tour Guides, A Valuable Attraction
There are professional tour guides who entertain all the tourists. The tour guides are knowledgeable, engaging and speak a variety of foreign languages. It is the tour guides who add value to the tour as an added advantage to the customer’s delight.
The Niagara Falls Attractions:
The three majestic waterfalls, the Horseshoe Falls, the American Falls and the Bridal Veil Falls are the ones that straddle the Canadian and American border. It is a great sight to watch from close quarters leaving lasting memories for all who tour them.
The main attractions to visit surrounding the Niagara Falls area are the following:
 Journey Behind The Falls  Whirlpool Aero Car  Casino Niagara  Skylon Tower  Nightmares Fear Factory  Niagara White Water Walk  Kurtz Orchards Farm and Marketplace  Great Canadian Midway  Reg’s Candy Kitchen  House of Frankenstein  The Tower Hotel  Dufferin Islands  Marineland of Canada  Bird Kingdom  The Floral Clock  Wineries in the Niagara region
The Road Journey From Toronto To Niagara Falls
The tour from Toronto to Niagara Falls is about 9 hours back and forth. It is a very pleasant trip that one would always remember. The trip will be unforgettable with beautiful memories. It takes about an hour and a half from Toronto to Niagara Falls by road on a vehicle arranged by the tour operator.
Once you reach the Falls area, start off with an exciting buffet lunch before you get on to the Hornblower Niagara Cruise Boat. Grab your seat along the float along the Niagara River until you reach the famous Horseshoe Falls.
On route, the coach halts for you to take a look at the Niagara Fall Attractions. Finally, get back into the tour bus coach for the return trip back to Toronto.
Your 9-hour tour ends with a drop off at your hotel or the place where you were picked.
Online Ticket Booking
There are a lot of tour operators who offer online ticket booking on the Internet. One can book tickets online with the Best Toronto to Niagara Falls Tour Operator.
Book your tickets online with the best tour operator now.
No wait times, advance deposit or any other form of payment in advance.
Book your Toronto To Niagara Falls Tour tickets online now!
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[Comp] Welcome To Bunkford

Dearest Reddit,
I have lurked this subreddit for some time now (stalked it, you might say, haha) and I feel that it's an appropriate place to tell this story. It's a rather long one, and before I begin you may wish to make yourself a snack. It's really two stories woven into one; they both fit into the theme of LNM and I can't really tell one without telling the other.
A few disclaimers before we begin: All of the news stories related to the following events have been 404'd (convenient, I know) and the only traces I've been able to find via Google are a memorial to the dead and an outrage surrounding the imprisoned (taxpayers pay for prisoners guitar! Storm and thunder!). As it involves a ward of the Crown, few people care and most have forgotten. I haven't, though, for reasons which I will delve into. All of the names have been changed to protect the innocent, save one, which is a matter of public record anyway.
Trigger warning: rape
I apologize profusely for the length, but there is a lot to the story, and it's better to get everything out.
It was early November of 2001. I was in my first year of university, away from home for the first time. It was an uncertain time; we blearily passed through Orientation Week by the skin of our livers and then 9/11 happened on the second day of regular classes. In the wake of the attacks a strange, eerie feeling settled over the city of Brantford, Ontario.
Brantford is a town with a sketchy history. Once in the running to be capital of Canada, the town began to decline after the manufacturing industries began to leave for cheaper venues in the late 1970s. Once a thriving blue-collar hub, by 2001 the city was a wasteland of decaying housing, abandoned industrial brownfields, and the scourge of crack cocaine. The worst part of the entire city was the main downtown street, Colborne St. If you have ever seen the movie Silent Hill, you've seen Colborne St. The producers of the movie chose that street because it was already a largely abandoned, boarded-up strip. Very little had to be done to get the creepy vibe of the movie in place. The apartments above the closed shops were inhabited by all manner of strange, drugged-out individuals. The boards that covered the shops featured paintings of shadow people living what appeared to be a perfectly normal life. Shadow people waited in lines for a painted cinema; shadow people were lining up at the bank to take ATM lessons; shadow people and their shadow children were checking out a pet shop. Most of the crumbling buildings were owned by one slum lord, who spent most of the early part of the century hiring arsonists to torch his empty buildings.
My friend Andrew was fond of repeating the (I believe apocryphal) tale that a mystic sect of the nearby Six Nations reservation had stood on the centre of downtown Colborne St and laid a curse on the city radiating outward. Right in the midst of this, directly across the street from where the Turtle Clan supposedly laid their curse, Wilfrid Laurier University decided to place the first real residence of their satellite Brantford campus (the school is actually centrally located in Waterloo, ON).
Right from the beginning there were problems with the local wildlife. Crackheads would sometimes accost those who stood outside the residence's plaza for money or cigarettes. (as seen here: http://brantford.mylaurier.ca/content/documents/Image/Res_life/GRH.jpg - the building was great, a real anomaly, and the dorm rooms were former executive suites, so they were swank). There were three less-savory bars within walking distance of this place, and the patrons of these bars would stumble through, drunk and belligerent. More than one fight occurred between wasted locals and wasted students. Right before this story, a homeless kid of maybe 16 or 17 had taken up sleeping in the unlocked portion of the residence's lobby. It was not an ideal situation for students, to say the least.
My roommate Bob and I lived on the top floor of that building, randomly selected to live together and fast friends in spite of that. A third friend of ours, Lorraine, was a de facto roommate as well; she had been assigned a room of five girls, and it was practically made to be an explosive situation. We would hang out together every night, watch TV, study, smoke copious amounts of weed, and bond over every conversation. On drinking nights we would usually grab the usual crew from our residence and head over to a nearby strip club, Moodys. Keep in mind that none of us went to Moody's for the nudity; the beer was relatively cheap and we were all friends with the DJ there. We called ourselves the Grass Skirt Crew, for reasons I no longer remember.
On this particular night (a Thursday, or so the internet tells me) we went to Moodys and proceeded to invest some time in getting our proverbial drink on. The beer flowed like water and in the course of the night Lorraine wound up talking to a group of randoms at another table. Around midnight these randoms invited us out to a party in the nearby village of Burford. Lorraine accepted but the rest of us declined; Burford is a strange, shadowy place and we didn't stomach going out there. Lorraine is made of wild roots, though; she was honour-student material but had grown up in the wilderness of Scarborough. Her acceptance to university had come shortly after her high school equivalency test, which had followed closely after she beat a charge of assault on a police officer during a cocaine bust. We all assumed that she could handle herself, and bid her goodnight.
Christina, one of our friends whom felt a motherly instinct towards Lorraine, offered to stay up until she came home, just to make sure. Feeling amazingly awake, despite the intake of beer and weed, I offered to stand watch with her. We all agreed it was the best plan and parted ways.
The rest of us returned to the residence, the outside of which was thankfully deserted. The homeless kid stopped us before the locked entrance to the residence and asked us if we had any cigarettes; I gave him one and we went upstairs. Christina and I went into my living room while Bob went to bed. We had an N64 set up and started to continue our playthrough of Ocarina of Time. We soon got bored of this and popped in Goldeneye. We smoked a joint and played through a number of multiplayer matches. Time passed. A lot of time passed. We looked at the clock and it had suddenly become 2:15AM. Startled, Christina wondered aloud what had happened to Lorraine. I assured her that she would probably be home soon, and that we should smoke another joint, and play through some more matches. I reasoned that if she wasn't home by then, we would worry.
My plan came and went; as the clock neared the witching hour Lorraine had still not called, or come home. Reluctantly, I agreed that something had gone wrong and we should go out to look. We took the elevator down and emerged out into the plaza. The homeless kid had vanished off into the night, and we saw that we were the only people on Colborne St. A fog had begun to descend upon the cold early morning; the moon had set and the streetlights offered an odd, chilled illumination that filtered strangely through the thickening mist.
We walked through the downtown, whispering when we needed to talk, moving in silence otherwise. The bars had long ago closed and the drunks had gone to their homes to sleep their way into hangovers. Our footfalls echoed off of blind brick walls as we made our methodical way towards the Grand River, which we agreed would be the limit of our search. There was a bridge, the Lorne Bridge, that crossed the river at the edge of downtown. This bridge was familiar to all of us, as we had to cross it to get to the closest grocery store (a half hour walk away). The area around the bridge was a stepped series of rocks that lead down the the surface of the river; there was also a footbridge and a railbridge nearby and the area was a popular spot for illicit activities. Behind the area was the then-new charity casino that was also within walking distance of the residence (did I mention the unconventional living situation?). Lorraine had mentioned that the people she was taking off with were stopping by that area to pick up some friends.
Christina and I exhausted our search of the downtown core; from Colborne St. to the park that formed the center of our campus there was not a single soul to be found around at that hour. We swallowed nervously and made our way to the end of our search: Lorne Bridge.
At first glance, as we approached, there was no one. The river ran by with it's rather majestic roar, and it was the loudest sound around. We steeled ourselves and made our way down the stepped rocks towards the path that ran under the bridge. This area, directly under the bridge, was very popular for pot smokers and we thought that, possibly, we might find someone who knew these people and could tell us if they'd seen them, or our friend.
As we set foot on the path I became extremely nervous. We stopped to light cigarettes and I peered into the darkness beneath the bridge with more than a little apprehension. The night was dark and the light disappeared a foot along the path once it crossed under. I felt oddly off-balance, and agitated; I could actually feel the hair raise on the back of my neck. I could feel someone watching us, and although there was no way of proving it one way or another, I knew then that it was a stare that was formed from ill intent. I told Christina that we needed to leave, and she nodded, oddly subdued. We abandoned the idea of looking for her around the waterfront, and decided that the only thing we could do was head back to the residence and wait. We climbed back up the rocks, and I looked back every few steps to make sure that no one was emerging from that unsettling blackness to follow us through the night.
We came back to residence around 4:30 AM. We went up to my room and woke Bob up. He was confused about what we were saying at first but after he became further awake he began to be as worried as we were. He insisted that we escalate the situation up the residence's chain of command; not trusting our own RA, we called the RA of the only other residence at that time, our very good friend Andrew. He arrived at our room half an hour later, his face clearly worried. Andrew had grown up in Brantford and had seen a number of "LNM Moments". He voiced these worries aloud as he rolled up what was, at that point in time, the most ridiculously large joint I had ever seen. We proceeded to smoke this monstrosity and tried to figure out what our next move should be.
It was in the midst of these discussions, just after six in the morning, that Lorraine arrived, slamming through our dorm's door with a noise that startled us all. Her eyes were red, as though she'd been crying, and she stared off slightly to the left, as though she were avoiding our gazes. She sat down, took the remainder of the cannon, and smoked it until the end while telling us what had become of her on that night.
She'd left with the three randoms that she had met at Moody's and gotten into their truck. They had stopped by Lorne Bridge briefly to pick up one other person before they had continued on to the village of Burford. The trip took them around twenty-five minutes or so. They arrived at an old farmhouse on the outskirts of the village, where there was a large party happening. People were drinking outside and talking, the scene was peaceful and would have been instantly recognizable to anyone who'd grown up in rural Ontario. They went into the house and the four men led her to the kitchen.
It was the smell that hit her first. A smell of rich, ripe decay; blood and shit and rotting meat. She wrinkled her nose but saw that there were a number of people standing around in the kitchen who were carrying on as if they smelled nothing. They were drinking normal drinks, bottled domestic beer and sugary coolers and when one of the men offered Lorraine a beer she accepted it. She drank and made some terse conversation; while talking to one of the men from Moody's she noticed a plastic bag sitting on the kitchen counter. Curious, and feeling a steady rise of dread within her, she quickly went over to the counter and looked inside the bag.
Within was a dismembered, rotting cat. It looked as though it had been hacked apart with a large knife.
She stumbled backwards and staggered out into the hallway. She was retching, and everyone in the kitchen ceased their conversations and stared at her as she left quickly. The man she had been talking to swiftly left the kitchen behind her and followed her through the hallway that led outside. Lorraine stopped once she reached the cold air outside of the front door, and sat down heavily on the cracked stone steps. The man sat down beside her and began rubbing her back. He sipped at his beer and told her that it was alright, that it was going to be just fine. He repeated this a few times, rubbing her back and sipping his beer, and she began to calm down slightly.
Without warning he leaned in and began kissing her neck; she squirmed away but he kept on it, turning from kissing to biting. To her horror she realized that he was nearly gnawing on her neck, as though he was pretending to be a vampire. It was at this moment that she pushed him back and bolted from her position. She sprinted down the farmhouse's driveway without looking back, the inarticulate shouts coming from the man spurring her on to record speeds.
She wandered through the quiet, nearly-lightless countryside for three hours, getting lost and then finding her way again, stopping once in a while to hide, and smoke, and ensure that no one was following her. Eventually she came to the outskirts of Brantford; lacking any cash, she couldn't even call a cab, and had to walk through the dead of night in a city where strange fancies strike the people that wander through it's gloomy, silent streets. It was only by the grace of fortune that she encountered no one else.
She finished the joint and went to bed.
The next morning (early afternoon, really), Bob and I awoke to discover that we were out of milk. As this is a necessary ingredient in the making of Kraft Dinner (the student version of army C-Rations) we knew that we would have to go out to get some. We decided that, since we were out of a lot of other staple foods as well, we would take a trip to the grocery store. We wandered out into the weakly warm late autumn and made our way down Colborne towards the river.
As we approached the Lorne Bridge we saw flashing lights. We got closer and realized that there were a number of police cruisers blocking off the area around the bridge. We thought it might have been a car accident until we realized that they were blocking off the paths leading down to the area that lay under the bridge. We stopped to light cigarettes and try to see what was going on, but there wasn't a good angle and the police were insistent about no one getting near. We shrugged and crossed the bridge, unable to satisfy our curiosities. It wasn't until we'd finished shopping and had trundled the heavy cart back to residence that we learned what had happened. By that time the news had spilled out, and it was on everyone's lips.
An early morning walker had discovered the body of a 15-year old girl under the Lorne Bridge. She was later identified as Elisha Mercer, a foster-child (Ward of the Crown) who had been raped and beaten to death in the darkness under that bridge. There was, according to those early gossipers, no indication as to whom might have perpetrated the crime. Christina and I shared a number of low glances, but neither of us said anything. What was there to say?
Later, as November turned to December, we became engaged in studying for exams and preparing essays. We kept to the residence, hanging out and living student life. The homeless kid seemed to have taken up semi-permanent residence in the nooks and crannies around the building. He was reported to security but always seemed to show up despite them. He seemed fairly harmless, so we didn't push the issue too much. He told us that his name was Jake, and he would bum cigarettes off of us more than anything else. He would usually leave us alone otherwise, except to say hello.
One night in early December my friend Joanne, my friend Michelle (who would later become my wife, incidentially) and I took a walk across the downtown towards the other residence, where our friend Andrew was RA. As we walked I realized that Jake was following us at a uncomfortably close distance. I pointed this out to my friends and we began to walk quicker. He picked up his pace as well, and soon we were all walking at a tense pace. We came to the center of the core, the small park that sat in front of the main academic building of the school, and as we turned down the street that led towards the other residence he began to shout.
"Hey!" he shouted. "Wait up! Wait up, I want to show you something!"
None of us wanted to see what he had to show us so we ignored him. He shouted one more time, and then let out a blood-curdling scream. We scattered; Joanne and I ran straight ahead and Michelle took off towards the park. He ignored us and ran after Michelle. As we approached the park I curved out into the street and ran directly at him. This seemed to startle him badly and he turned and ran in the opposite direction. I caught up with Michelle, checked back with Joanne, and we made our shaky way towards the residence.
After that, Jake avoided students. Word went out and the bigger students voiced their disapproval to him. He slunk away and we left for Christmas break. When we returned, he had moved on to other places; we still saw him from time to time, but he seemed to have taken his homeless-teenager act to another part of the downtown.
The last time I saw Jake was in early March, 2002. The warm weather had arrived and we were starting to really explore the city. Bob had borrowed his mother's car for a month and we'd taken to driving out to take in the historical sites around the area (which have their own creepy tales attached to them, I might add). One day, Bob's friend John had come to visit. After having some lunch we decided to drive out into the other end of the city to visit the mall. We were leaving the residence when we found Jake sitting on the steps of the plaza outside, a duffel bag sitting forlornly beside him. He caught eyes with us and ran over to talk to us. We were disturbed by his sudden reappearance but were polite; we engaged in conversation with him and let him talk to us as we made our way down the walkway towards the parking garage that lay behind our residence. We started getting tense when he followed us into the parking garage and kept talking, his speech becoming more and more disjointed. Finally we were at the car and we made it clear to him that we were taking off. He looked around at us, confused, and hefted his duffel bag.
"So, are you going to pop the trunk?" he asked. We stared at him in disbelief. We told him that he was not, in any way, shape, or form, coming with us. We were not letting him get in the car. He began to get angry.
"But you said you'd give me a ride!" he exclaimed, indignant. "I walked all the way up here!" We informed him flatly that we never said any such thing and that he needed to get lost, quickly. When he insisted that he was coming with us, rage amplifying his voice, John (whose father was a local correction's officer), poked him in the chest and threatened to knock out his teeth if he kept bothering us. He swallowed hard, and walked away shaking his head and swearing. We waited until he'd been gone a while before we started the car and left the garage. I never saw Jake again.
Years later (2004 or 2005, my memory grows fuzzy as the ages pass and the news stories that kept it sharp begin to be pruned to save valuable server space) the newspapers reported that the murder of Elisha Mercer had been solved. A Toronto police officer had gone undercover in Brantford and befriended a teenaged suspect (who could not be identified due to the nature of Canada's Young Offenders Act). The suspect had trusted the officer totally and showed him how he had done it and where he had buried Ms. Mercer's clothes after he'd finished raping and brutally murdering her. The confession was had and the young man had been arrested, tried, and convicted. We read it in the local newspaper but, without details, the fact that the murderer had been caught and imprisoned seemed like victory enough.
John came to visit us a week later in our apartment, his usual quiet manner even graver. He'd been kept in the local jail while awaiting trial, and his father had still been a correctional officer at the Brantford lockup at that time. John would go to help his father out at work quite often; he was trying to get a leg up in the same field, and the experience helped greatly. He reported to us that he'd seen the homeless kid, Jake, in the lockup and asked his father what the kid had done. His father seemed disturbed and asked him where he knew the kid from. John explained the story and his father grew silent for a moment before replying that it was Jake that had been charged with, and convicted of, the murder of Elisha Mercer.
It had been Jake who watched as Christina and I stood nearby in the early morning darkness of Lorne Bridge, his victim a cooling corpse beside him.
These are the few remaining articles I can find online to shed some journalistic light on this tale:
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1881&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
An interesting thing that I never knew about this: apparently the Brantford Police took another CAS crown ward into custody since she was the one who discovered the body on her way to school:
http://fixcas.com/cgi-bin/go.py?2011b.balloons
Her memorial: http://yourlifemoments.ca/sitepages/memoriam.asp?oId=437642
And, the outrage surrounding the "young murderer" and his admittance into a therapy program wherein he was given the wood to craft his own guitar:
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=63762.0
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Planning To Niagara Falls Canada: Here's What You Need To Know About The Niagara Falls

Planning To Niagara Falls Canada: Here's What You Need To Know About The Niagara Falls
Niagara Falls is one of the most exciting places to visit for anyone for the beautiful picturesque it has to everyone’s surprise.
Niagara Falls, Ontario, is a Canadian City at the famous waterfalls of the same name, linked with the US by the Rainbow Bridge.
Niagara Falls was once a destination for honeymoons and family vacations but now has stepped it up as an entirely fun oriented vacation spot. Find more fun things to do in Niagara Falls, Canada.
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Niagara Falls are three waterfalls which sit right on the border between the United States and Canada. From largest to smallest of the waterfalls are the Horseshoe Falls, the American Falls, and the Bridal Veil Falls.
The Falls comes from the highest elevation of more than 50 meters and every minute; it releases around 100,000 to 110,000 Cubic meters of water on an average.
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The best attractions of Niagara Falls on the Canada side are, The Floral Clock, The Hornblower Niagara Cruises, and Whirlpool Aero Car, The Souvenir shop, Fallsview Casino, Botanical Gardens, Wildplay Niagara’s Zipline, and Skylon Tower for the best view of the area.
Niagara White Water Walk, Kurtz Orchards Farm and Marketplace.
Great Canadian Midway, Reg’s Candy Kitchen, House of Frankenstein, and The Tower Hotel.
Dufferin Islands, Marineland of Canada, and the Bird Kingdom are worth watching.
Niagara Falls Boat tour operating in Niagara Falls, Canada, is worth watching and one can view the waters from very close quarters and experience the water falling on them like a spray.
For more thrill, one can also visit Whirlpool Jetboats and Nightmares Fear Factory.
Enjoy a candlelit dinner at the Fallsview Restaurant.
Finally, Niagara Falls fireworks are the perfect ending to an evening at the Niagara Falls Canada.
The Horseshoe Falls is on the border of the United States and Canada, with the American Falls entirely at the United States side, divided by Goat Island. The smallest of the three, Bridal Veil Falls is also on the United States side, separated by Luna Island from other waterfalls.
This Is Why Toronto To Niagara Falls Tours Is So Famous!
People planning to visit the Niagara Falls from the Canada end would start from Toronto and its surrounding areas.
Travelling from Toronto to Niagara Falls gives immense pleasure to everyone because of the best services through a road trip from Toronto to Niagara Falls and back coupled with the assistance of tourist guides.
There are daily Niagara Falls tours to the town of Niagara-on-the-Lake, one of the most beautiful cities in Canada departing from many pickup points including hotels in the more significant city, Toronto.
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[Table] IAmA: I've worked part-time at Chinese restaurants (in the U.S) whenever I get a break from school for the past 8 years, I'll tell you everything you want to know about this business!

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Is uneaten food ever recycled back into the buffet? OH GOD! Sadly, yes! After working at some places long enough, since workers eat off of the buffet as well, you learn to spot what's left from the day before. For example, left over chicken wings are soaked in water over night, fried again the next day and brought out during busy hours to mix in with fresh ones. Re-fried wings are darker in color.
Not all of them recycle food, and those that do select those that can be easily re-cooked. The last place I worked at doesn't save anything at all, it's owned by a family who isn't so greedy like many other owners.
Oh! Forgot one other disgusting practice. When the owner decides to do this they are seriously the greediest bastards in the business. In restaurants that recycle food, they often keep the meat, grind it up and make them stuffing for another item. Here's the nasty bit, some of these places pick out meat from the plates after the tubs are carried into the kitchen. I've never worked at a place that do that, but heard the story from a co-worker who had. I've since been avoiding anything stuffed at Chinese restaurants.
Why do they soak them in water overnight? Is that so they aren't dry when they re-fry them? Cos I'm just thinking that wings soaked in water would splatter like hell once they hit the deep-fryer. Yes, to keep them from getting too dry. The deep fryer is at very high temperature, sure it will splatter but all that water evaporate quickly.
Are health code violations common across all Chinese restaurants? In my area it seems like at least once a year a restaurant closes down because of it then reopens under a new name with the same management. All the restaurants I worked at have violations here and there, many would definitely close down if the inspector show up in the middle of the day. Strangely enough I rarely see the inspectors showing up even though we regularly receive threats from unhappy customers.
A lot of the processed food are put in the container and left somewhere on the kitchen floor (either to cool off, marinate at room temp, or simply for convenience), often without covers. Workers walk around, water splash up from the floor as they walk by. If an inspector really cared they can swab a food container in the kitchen and there will be a lot of bacteria, things are hardly washed, rinsed at best. There are things I don't eat in the buffet because I know how they are made.
There are things I don't eat in the buffet because I know how they are made. Anything stuffed. One item comes to mind is the lobster roll (fried rolls with meat stuffed inside), you can't be certain if the meat is clean.
Food on the floor uncovered? That seems like a relatively easy thing to avoid for potentially making someone very ill. I now sincerely wish Chinese food wasn't so damn good. It's basically impossible for me to remove it from my diet at this point. Covering something is another step you have to spend time to do, isn't it? Remember when I talked about convenience?
Can you give a phonetic annunciation for Tsao? I have heard it called "T-so" or "Sd-ow" and just plain "So" Help a Caucasian out with this so he can order more confidently. "Taw"
Well fuck, I guess people that work at chinese restaurants probably know how to interpret a wide variety of mispronunciations? Well, there aren't other dishes that start with "General", even heard people call it general chicken before.
Not to get all rascist or anything but are you asian yourself? I tried to apply for a job at a chinese restaurant and they wouldn't let me because im white. Not racist at all! I am. They don't usually hire non-Chinese mainly because of language barrier. As you can see they communicate in their native tongue and commonly they are not fluent in English. Secondly, they don't want to hire someone who might report them to the authorities for the things these places typically do (eg. false reporting revenue). And yes, I do speak Chinese.
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In my area they hire whites to the delivery. Have seen that, sometime places even have white people answering the phone, they likely got the job through connections.
Yeah, it also isn't just white people that are banned. I know in my area all the restaurants are from different parts of China and have a different dialectic, so they will only hire Chinese from their region. Correct! Chinese DO indeed discriminate among their own people.
What's the most unsanitary thing you have seen? When you stir-fry things, there will be times when a thing or two fly out of the wok when you are flipping them, sometimes they are right on the range, sometime they are on the floor, those things WILL go straight back into the wok. I've seen the chef pick up stuff from the floor and throw it back into the wok way too many times.
Also do you have any opinion on customers who go straight for stuff like crab legs and shell fish and load up platefuls of it (like are these customers frowned upon, are they stereotypically Chinese)? As far as people who go straight for the good stuff, don't we all? You will get dirty looks when you load up on seafood no matter who you are. I personally go to a casino and pay the good money for the better stuff without getting those dirty looks.
I've never been to a casino, what is special about the food there? Is it just the seafood or are there just really nice restaurants targeted toward big spenders. Luxurious pigging out.
What is msg and why is it so bad? It's a flavoring agent, commonly used in Chinese cuisine and industrial food production. It's bad because many Westerners have found themselves to be sensitive to Mono-Sodium Glutamate (MSG); think about Gluten.
If you are allergic to MSG, calling to ask the restaurant if they use it in their food won't help. ALL Chinese restaurants use it, but not all items require it.
Fact: While we are on the topic of allergies. Some restaurants include peanut butter in their Lo Mein. The sauce used to cook Lo Mein is pre-made, about 4 cups of PB in a 5 gallon bucket of sauce, so there is a chance that someone with peanut allergy has eaten Lo Mein containing peanut butter.
Glutamate and gluten are completely different things. The bad rep for msg was some suspected health concerns raised in the 90s, which have since been proven to not be a thing. It acts a bit like a salt, so can dehydrate you. But otherwise you're fine. I know they are different, I actually did a meta-analysis research project on the effects of MSG. I was just referring to how people are reacting to the discovery of the "supposed" detrimental health effects of MSG and Gluten. People feared MSG just as people avoided Gluten even though they are not Gluten intolerant. Edit: well, I guess I shouldn't have assumed people know what's behind this gluten-free trend, many people who are doing gluten-free diet can't tell you what is it!
There is no such thing as an MSG allergy. They only people that claim to have one are hypochondriacs or "Internet health nuts" that don't know what MSG really is. At least that's what a lot of the research on this topic says, but placebo can be a bitch depending on what you're trying to test.
Do you guys make any actual authentic Chinese Food or is it all American Chinese? Ask any new Chinese immigrants they will tell you they've never had anything in the typical Chinese buffet in the U.S, even if they had something with the same name in China, the American version will be tweaked. There are exceptions nowadays with some new restaurants bringing authentic Chinese food to standing out in the competition.
Edit: the amount of sugar required in the typical Chinese buffet food is definitely not "Chinese".
the amount of sugar required in the typical Chinese buffet food is definitely not "Chinese". Ha - you've obviously never been to Shanghai. Well, I guess I should have said the percentage of dishes requiring large amount of sugar is definitely not "Chinese". I'm not denying that some Chinese cuisine utilize lots sugar, but not all dished they do. In an Chinese buffet, pretty much all items had sugar added.
Does your restaurant you work at have authentic Chinese food or is it all American Chinese typical? And the answer is yes and no. I have worked at many and am not working at one right now. You want authentic Chinese, go to China-Town.
I know where it is. I was just asking and was curious. I wanted a straight answer. Thanks. What do you mean you know where it is?
Obviously this is illegal. Do local authorities just overlook a lot of this like illegal immigrant field workers? Is there a known protocol illegals know to follow when the authorities show up? They run if they can. Couple years back the ICE actually bust into these houses WITH FULL TACTICAL GEAR AND ASSAULT RIFFLES in the morning to arrest workers, some of these houses have kids living in them too, to a point they couldn't book more people into their local office, the bail was like 10k for females, and 30K for males. They made good money doing that for a while. There are states that enforce these laws more, and illegal workers avoid working in those states.
Edit: Lots of couples have kids here, they become an Anchor Baby
No matter what I do, I can't get homemade fried rice to taste like the genuine article. Is there a trick that I'm missing here? (Peanut oil? Chicken stock instead of water? MSG?) First things first, are you certain that your white rice is cooked right? That's the mistake a lot of people make right off the bat.
I've always wondered - how much of the buffet items are made from scratch and how many are frozen/pre-packaged and then just fried or heated up before serving? Any specific examples? Almost all from scratch depending on the which restaurant you go to. The only things I've seen that come in frozen are the fried stuff. A busy buffet sometimes buy Egg Rolls pre-packaged because it's time consuming to make. Onion rings, french fries...everything that's definitely not Chinese is bought in a package.
What are some "off menu" items that pretty much every Chinese restaurant makes for non-Western customers. How can I get Chinese restaurants to sell me authentic Chinese food? There is no such thing, these places would not go through the trouble to serve someone something different. China Town = Authentic Chinese food. Link to www.youtube.com
Dogs ? Not at the Chinese restaurants Americans are familiar with.
There are restaurants in some Asian countries that specialize in dog meat, and they farm raise these dogs, just like how people harvest horse meat in some European countries.
If I get an all-you-can-eat Buffet what do I need to stack my plate with the get the most value for money? Seafood, you get dirty looks when you chow down on plates upon plates of seafood, best bang for the buck!
How is the sauce for the basic stir fried vegetables made? I love it as a side and have no idea how to make it at home. Every recipe I find is for something with teriyaki or hoisin sauce. All I want is the clearish sauce used in 99% of Chinese restaurants for the stir fried mixed vegetables. Chicken stock brought to boil, add salt & pepper, scallions, sesame oil, add corn starch to get the right consistency then cover veggies with sauce.
Everything he said..a little garlic and white pepper is good too. Yeah, definitely forgot about the garlic, toasted in the wok with tiny bit of oil before pouring chicken stock into the wok.
With there being so many items on this menu, I suspect most of them share preparation, so its not really that difficult to prepare all of the options? Or do the chefs really have their work cut out for them with so many options? As far as preparation, things can get very specific for each item, that's why people keep complaining about how they can't replicate something they had at the Chinese place at home.
That's good to know, also explains where there is a difference between these otherwise seemingly similar "fast food" Chinese place. So...what's that roasted chicken recipe? Link to www.reddit.com
The sauce used for chicken feet (black beans). What is the recipe? I've always asked the chef for the recipe for the black beans sauce, but it's a lot of trouble like many other sauces they use, it involves many steps. Cooking at the restaurant is quite different than what online recipes tell you to do, you don't add ingredients as you go. The sauces are made in large amount at a time, and stir-fry is really mixing all the meat and veggies with the sauce after they are deep fried or blanched.
I've tried several recipes I found on the net, none of them are like the restaurants. Edit: I remember one thing that made replicating the sauce difficult is that one ingredient may be the byproduct of some other food they make.
Do you work in a Chinese buffet catering to non-Asians or ones that Asians go to? Have you heard of the Zen Buffet chain in Southern California? I'm Asian and it seems Zen Buffet is the only one my family and friends will go to. The ones I've worked at catered to the general American population. I have never been to CA, so I have never heard of Zen Buffet.
Where are the oysters sourced for the oysters with black bean sauce? Why are they always the biggest oysters I've ever seen? They're easily the size of my hand or bigger and Asian buffets are the only place where I see them. Are you talking about mussels w/ black bean sauce? A lot of people confuse that with oysters. Regardless, they are farm raised, mostly in Latin America (in countries like Guatemala).
Where do the desserts come from? All Asian buffets seem to have the exact same desserts. The square of cake with jelly top, the jelly roll, the macaroon, etc. Desserts are made by dessert factories and sold in brown cardboard boxes. One of the pastry company is called King's Pastry in Ontario, Canada. These companies supply wholesale companies that deal with the Chinese restaurants; a nationwide Asian restaurant wholesale company is called Asian Foods. I worked for a boss that knew the founder of Asian Foods personally, he started the first Chinese buffet in a state, and there were no supply companies at the time so he had to buy everything from a grocery store, that grocery store was owned by the founder of Asian Foods who saw the potential in supplying the Asian restaurant business.
Thanks for the reply! Yea, Southern California has lots of Asian buffets where the main clientele are Asians (and Hispanics, but mostly Asians). Zen buffet has the biggest name recognition amongst all the Asian buffets around here. I love Hot and Sour soup (that's how I normally gauge a Chinese restaurant's quality), so I wish I could find a buffet that had a good one. It's always this thickened soy sauce water with random bits of egg and bamboo suspended in it. No, oysters with black bean sauce. They use these giant oysters, spoon on some black bean sauce, and bake. Only 6 or so fit in one of the steam table pans on the buffet, so they're gone in seconds (usually because one person camped out and got all six and the next batch is 30 min away). The crab legs are REALLY salty! I guess that's why. Although, since they charge for soda and Asians don't usually order a drink that costs extra when they go to the buffet. Only the non-Asians will order the $2.39 drink, so that's only 1/4th of the clientele. I wish they wouldn't delay the premium items since everyone ends up camping out for them (and stealing tongs from other stations so they can also be grabbing crab even though they're not first in line). Because it's so rare to have a batch put out, everyone grabs as much as possible as fast as possible. I'm convinced that if they would just keep it continuously stocked, people would just grab what they could eat and they would end up going through less crab in the long run. Good to know about the desserts. I've always wondered about that because every Asian buffet in California has the exact same setup of desserts. Do you guys do the sliced bananas in that fluorescent red syrup? What the heck is that syrup? Strawberry sauce, that's it, same as those you would put on waffles. Some places even use sauce that has strawberry chunks. You can't taste the strawberry in that dessert? Now you know, make them at home!
How common is it for an American to come in who speaks Chinese? Do most Chinese restaurant workers in the US speak mandarin or cantonese, or is it mixed? My mandarin is not amazing, but not terrible either (according to my Chinese friend). If I tried to order in chinese, would they be just be offended? It's becoming for prevalent with Westerners going abroad to China, for school or business. Most of the restaurant workers speak Mandarin, and this business is dominated by people immigrated from China's Fujian province, the province right next to Taiwan across the ocean. There people came from the City of Fuzhou and the surrounding area, they have their own regional language (people often call it a dialect, suggesting it's a variation of Mandarin, but in reality is a completely different language). They wouldn't be offended, actually a "老外(Lao Why)" (Chinese word for non-chinese person) speaking Chinese is very fascinating to them.
Also I remember going to a Chinese take out place near me once and they actually had the chinese catalog for take out restaurants sitting out for people to look at...what is the name of this catalog? Seemed like it was something nationally circulated throughout the chinese take out community. Pretty sure it's the Chinese newspaper, they often print weekly or bi-weekly so they can get quite thick.
Why did no one ask him what he WOULDNT order at a chinese restaurant??? ahhh now i wanna know what i should stay away from... Anything stuffed. You never know if the meat is clean.
GGOP XD thanks. But now I must break up my love affair with crab rangoon sad face Crab rangoons are fine. It's the stuffed meat that's sketchy.
How would I, a college student, get into working part time at Chinese buffets during school breaks? Are you Chinese? do you speak Chinese? If you are non-Chinese, you better speak Chinese. If you can't speak Chinese, you better have connections with the owner or know people working there.
Edit: Chinese buffets really aren't non-chinese worker friendly, plus the hours are horrible.
Yes, I'm American born Chinese. I can speak at a conversational level, but I'm just worried that I wouldn't be able to hold my own in a restaurant setting. People are very judgmental there, mainly on your efficiency at working this laborious job. Some people are just mean for no reason, keep in mind, many of these workers spend 6 days a week, 12 hours a day working in there, after 10-15 years some of them develop personality problems. I've seen many people like this.
Is the iced water at a chinese buffet okay to drink or should I go for something else like hot tea or a Coke? They are fine, comes right out of the soda fountain, if not, it's just from the faucet. It really depends on if you have a sensitive stomach, if you drink from the faucet at home you'll be fine drinking water at the restaurant; generally you should concern more about the food than the water.
Why do all Chinese food come in same cardboard barrels? Not all, but it's just the way it got started, they keep it the same way to give you that sense of consistency, you correlate consistency with authenticity.
How much food do we need to eat at the all you can eat that you guys loose money? You can't, the whole point of buffet is people with big appetite balance out with people with small appetite, so at the end of the day, they don't really lose money. But if you really want to know how much you personally would get your money's worth, 5-6 plates full should do it for a buffet that costs around 12 bucks (depending on what they serve), or you can do two full plates of crag legs.
After working at these restaurants, would you ever take a date to any of the buffets you've worked at? I would depending on the occasion. Saw some kid brought his prom date to the buffet, both still in their full outfit for the night...
Is any of the food really 100% vegetarian? I've been lied to so many times by Asian restaurants. No. Everything deep fried (even vegetarian) is done in the same deep fryer with the same oil. Some veggie only dishes are deep fried in the oil for a second or two (instead of blanching with water), this process makes the food look better when it's done. The only things I can think of is guarantee 100% vegetarian is the steamed vegetables...well, they are boiled with water, no steaming at all.
Edit: example, spring rolls are fried in the same oil as the pork egg rolls.
Why do you work in Chinese restaurants? Are those jobs just easy to get if you are Chinese? Is there something else you like about it? It all started when I was hanging out at a family friend's restaurant when I was a kid, then I started helping out here and there, nothing seriously; I would some times head over to Blockbusters to play games when I get bored. Then I was looking for a job when I started high school like many other kids, filling out applications and all but none responded. Then the idea of working at a Chinese place began. You don't need applications, you agree to work, the owner agrees to hire, and you start the next day. Pay all in cash at the end of the day if you wait tables. The thing I like about it is I can work whenever I decide to spend my break from school working, I just call the place and ask if they have opening, sometimes they just tell someone else to go on vacation and return when I am back to school, and people who work full time there are pretty willing to leave for a bit since they typically work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day, so they need the break.
Edit: the job isn't necessarily easy, you need to work fast and efficient, if you can't do that you'll get fired as fast you can get hired. I actually hate this job overall, you meet so many horrible people, not just you wouldn't want them as your customers but you just wouldn't deal with them in life in general.
OK. This is really late. I love Chinese food, my girlfriend is from mainland China, I can speak like three words of Chinese. And nowhere in all of my compendium of knowledge, either direct or through my girlfriend have I found a good General Tsos's recipe. The recipe is complicated that's why. People can't make it because it takes so long, even the chef don't make them when they are home. Here is the brief process just to show how time consuming it is to make this dish. I don't have the full recipe though. Batter is made with eggs and other flavoring. You have to add the right amount of everything to get the right consistency otherwise you can't get the right crunch after you fried the chicken. The sauce is prepared separately. Lots of ingredient: chicken stock, soy sauce, lots of sugar, that sugary water inside canned pineapple, ground chilli pepper... Chicken is covered in batter and deep fried, then let to cool. when order comes in, the fried chicken is again deep fried. Then the sauce is brought to boil in a wok, fried chicken is then pour into the sauce and "stir fried", corn starch is then added to bring that sticky, gooey goodness. so yes, all the seasoning is done before hand.
How do you make that tasty tasty chicken happen?
Any food that you think is the safest bet at any Chinese restaurants? The typical fried rice and lo mein, they are simple with few ingredients, there aren't many things you can do with them to be greedy and save on costs.
If you're still taking questions, can you tell me some awesome recipes? Or was it all mostly pre-packaged stuff? Roast chicken: Use chicken thigh meat or breast, cut them into pieces that are about .5-1 inch thick and 3-4 inches wide.
For about 3 pounds of chicken: Sauce: Half an onion, 4-5 slices of ginger, 3 table spoons of oyster sauce, 3 table spoons of salt, 3 table spoons of oil, 1 table spoon of pepper, 6 table spoons curry power, 2 table spoons of cooking wine, 1 table spoon of MSG (or not), add hot sauce if you like spicy food. Mix everything together and marinate the chicken in it overnight inside your refrigerator.
Cooking: lay each piece flat on aluminum tray, pop into oven for 45 minutes on 425 F. turn all pieces half way to get them evenly cooked.
*I'm not certain on the proportions, I just eye ball everything when I cook, so all the numbers are just what I think is the amount I add.
Alright wisbucky. Everything you have said has been spot on. Im sure you have seen my other post about me working for chinese restaurants for nearly 20yrs of my life(from delivering, serving, bartending, managing, POS support, marketing, web development etc) What is "the VERY BAD!"? Have you read the comment where I talked about recycling left over meat from customer's plate for stuffing in a different item (eg. lobster rolls)?
Awesome ama, read through the whole thing cause I love chinese food. Hope I'm not too late but how is the beef in all chinese dishes so tender? This has puzzled me for a long time. I'm pretty sure it's flank, and the high heat shock factor in a wok could be it, but very difficult to replicate since you need the special high heat burner. Is there any industry trick to it? They are kept in a thin batter, pretty much add flour to the beef, provided that there are still quite a lot of moisture on them, add little water so the mixture of beef and batter isn't too dry; you are going for the thin runny, slimy coating over the meat. When it's time to cook, you deep fry them half way done, then prepare the beef however you want in the second half of the cooking process.
Edit: oh, pretty sure it's corn starch instead of flour.
Do you have a god recipe for breading? I've tried several and the breading is always falling off, limp and wettish, absorbing too much oil, etc. I don't have a good recipe for breading.
Be honest, would you eat there? I do, all the time! I go to buffet dates with my friends while I'm not working and at school.
Are you talking about a single restaurant? or multiple ones (and how many)? Where are you located? Where any of them better or worse than the others in terms of health and safety? Talking about my experience working in multiple restaurants, but things pretty much are the same across the country. I'm in the midwest, and I can't name any establishments for obvious reasons, sorry!
Can't believe no one asked... At places where both are served, any difference between the buffet food and the made-to-order food? No difference, the chef just make the small portions for the made-to-order, that's all.
Where do they get their cat? This was an AMA about Chinese restaurants. If you have questions regarding pussy wholesale, you need to consult your mother.
How's is General Tso's Chicken really made? Link to www.reddit.com
How do I hook up with one of the Chinese waitresses? The same way you would any other waitresses if there is no language barrier.
Are they careful about the food they serve ? Perhaps if it fell on the floor, do they just pick it up and serve it anyway ? Ever had any incident when someone spit/peed/masturbated in the food ? Link to www.reddit.com
No excrement involved in the cooking process. But, there was this chef who has the habit of picking his nose as he waits for the food to get done, the owner warned him some many times.
Recently went to a hibachi buffet that had a very large sushi bar. I had about 3 plates full of sushi then dessert. If it cost $12 for unlimited food, did I get my money's worth and did the workers hate me? Around 3 plates FULL of sushi I think you got your money's worth, but also depend on which kinds you had, the raw ones generally cost more because those require higher quality fish. It's quite common for people to have that amount of sushi if they are solely there for that, so waiters get quite used to seeing that, but around 5 plates though...you will get your money's worth and people will hate you.
Did you ever work at a restaurant with "yellow" fried rice? Yes, it's food coloring added after the white rice is done cooking and before it's fried in the wok.
Why do you keep working at Chinese resturants? No other skill set, can't speak the language fluently, and illegal residence status usually put a stop to whatever dream they had before coming to the U.S.
Why are so many of the main dishes sweet but the desserts taste bland and sugarless? Restaurants add as much sugar as they want to their dishes, but they buy the desserts in package.
Any warning signs that a place is overall substandard and that they do this type of meat grinding from left overs? I have to admit, I hand't been to a buffet in a while and went to one a couple weeks ago. There just seemed to be a lot of strange things, odd textures and smells that alarmed me. Trust your instinct, that's pretty much what I do when I eat at a place I don't work at.
Anthony Bordain once said a good judge is by checking out the bathroom. If they can't keep that clean, and it's an area open to the customer, than go elsewhere. Applies for all restaurants.
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